FuzzNJ
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14 years ago

You know what I find funny.


Most here can actually have a conversation with RICKMAVEN. But you are a lost cause.

How long is a country living on a credit card going to extend unemployment?

Ds are throwing a fit. Again. Because they refuse to negotiate. Then they use a compliant media to blame Rs. I blame both.

ZRX1200 wrote:



Awww, /cry

Dude. The bill was negotiated and agreed to by all involved. 89/100 senators voted for it. Now the house republicans are running away after having been given what they wanted, 2 months, pipeline, not paid for by tax increases for the rich, etc.

FuzzNJ
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14 years ago

That statement confirms your belief that people should vote their economic interests over principle and drain the national treasury. That is the "game over" mentality if it fully takes root.

HockeyDad wrote:



lol, does no such thing actually and not a point I believe I've made.
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14 years ago
I'm not expecting HD to show the numbers for his claim as they don't exist.

http://www.tax.com/taxcom/taxblog.nsf/Permalink/CHAS-89LPZ9 

Total income was $2.74 trillion less during the eight Bush years than if incomes had stayed at 2000 levels.

That much additional income would have more than made up for the lack of demand that keeps us mired in the Great Recession. That would mean no need for a stimulus, although it would not have affected the last administration's interfering with market capitalism by bailing out irresponsible Wall Streeters instead of letting the market determine their fortunes.

In only two years was total income up, but even when those years are combined they exceed the declines in only one of the other six years.

Even if we limit the analysis by starting in 2003, when the dividend and capital gains tax cuts began, through the peak year of 2007, the result is still less income than at the 2000 level. Total income was down $951 billion during those four years.

Average incomes fell. Average taxpayer income was down $3,512, or 5.7 percent, in 2008 compared with 2000, President Bush's own benchmark year for his promises of prosperity through tax cuts.

Had incomes stayed at 2000 levels, the average taxpayer would have earned almost $21,000 more over those eight years. That's almost $50 per week.

The changes in average and total incomes are detailed on the next page in Table 1, the first of four tables analyzing the whole data.

Now that we have looked at the whole eight-year period, what does the new data show about 2008, the worst recession ear since the 1930s, show when compared to the peak year of 2007, when the average taxpayer made $63,096, which was 2.5 percent more than in 2000.

In only two of the eight Bush years, 2006 and 2007, were average incomes higher than in 2000, but the gains were highly concentrated at the top. Of the total increase in income in 2007 over that in 2005, nearly 30 percent went to taxpayers who made $1 million or more,

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Much more at link, with numbers!
ZRX1200
14 years ago
And every member of the house it does not support this is republican?
FuzzNJ
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14 years ago

And every member of the house it does not support this is republican?

ZRX1200 wrote:



YES!!! Strict party line vote today. Dude, if you want to comment about something with the degree of certainty you obviously have, try finding out wtf happened before you say crap. Wow. All you guys see is fuzz said something, gotta disagree and just shoot out talking points.
yardobeef
14 years ago

YES!!! Strict party line vote today. Dude, if you want to comment about something with the degree of certainty you obviously have, try finding out wtf happened before you say crap. Wow. All you guys see is fuzz said something, gotta disagree and just shoot out talking points.

FuzzNJ wrote:



I think he actually might have been asking a question. But feel to shoot first...:-k
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14 years ago

I think he actually might have been asking a question. But feel to shoot first...:-k

yardobeef wrote:



Read the thread. He obviously knows nothing about what happened and still opines, and I did answer his question.
yardobeef
14 years ago
He baits you, you in turn bait him. Two fellas sitting around baiting each other. This can't be healthy.
ZRX1200
14 years ago
Yardobeef, Fuzzy here is a kept man.

He has all day to read the HuffPo and all the other sites he subscribes to. Others like myself actually work for what they have and have to wait rill AFTER Oprah time before we have sufficient time to read through info. I could listen to a.m. radio and use that info to really get Fuzzy the excitement he craves when he comes here to get into another argument with the guys here.

I guess maybe I have yet to set the bar low enough for him.

Fuzzy. I will pray for you.
HockeyDad
14 years ago

I'm not expecting HD to show the numbers for his claim as they don't exist.

FuzzNJ wrote:




Sorry FuzzNJ but your article didn't address what I said.
HockeyDad
14 years ago

lol, does no such thing actually and not a point I believe I've made.

FuzzNJ wrote:




You find it sad that people won't vote to raid the treasury in their favor. You made the point.
HockeyDad
14 years ago

Excellent. Where and what are these numbers?

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"Bush tax cuts: $544.3 billion. The package would extend the Bush tax cuts for everyone for two years.

The bulk of that cost -- $463 billion -- is for the extension of cuts for families making less than $250,000, including two years of relief for 2010 and 2011 for the middle class from the Alternative Minimum Tax.

The rest -- $81.5 billion -- is attributable to the extension of cuts that apply to the highest income families." ~ CNNMoney


This was the estimated breakdown of the two year extension that expires at the end of 2012. During August, Obama went after the $81.5 billion portion because the rich weren't paying their fair share. This was part of the debt reduction impasse that led to the US credit rating being lowered.


Sorry FuzzNJ.....once again you're all rhetoric and no substance and all from the comfort of the couch.
HockeyDad
14 years ago

All you guys see is fuzz said something, gotta disagree and just shoot out talking points.

FuzzNJ wrote:





In all fairness, you started this by shooting out a talking point.
FuzzNJ
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14 years ago

Sorry FuzzNJ but your article didn't address what I said.

HockeyDad wrote:



But it does, so you either are lying or didn't read it. By that I mean actually click on the link and read it.

Where are your numbers proving your assertion then?
FuzzNJ
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14 years ago

Yardobeef, Fuzzy here is a kept man.

He has all day to read the HuffPo and all the other sites he subscribes to. Others like myself actually work for what they have and have to wait rill AFTER Oprah time before we have sufficient time to read through info. I could listen to a.m. radio and use that info to really get Fuzzy the excitement he craves when he comes here to get into another argument with the guys here.

I guess maybe I have yet to set the bar low enough for him.

Fuzzy. I will pray for you.

ZRX1200 wrote:



lol, so it's better to start arguing against something you aren't even aware of. Got it.

Again with the kept man bs when you got nowhere else to go. So silly.
HockeyDad
14 years ago

But it does, so you either are lying or didn't read it. By that I mean actually click on the link and read it.

Where are your numbers proving your assertion then?

FuzzNJ wrote:





You need to re-read what I said and re-read your article.
HockeyDad
14 years ago


Again with the kept man bs when you got nowhere else to go. So silly.

FuzzNJ wrote:




It is hard to discuss taxation and tax cuts with someone who does not pay taxes!
drywalldog
14 years ago
Fuzz~the pubes are just trying to grease the the tracks so that the economy train cant gain any speed going into the election. Too bad they choose to attack you instead of arguing the points they believe.
FuzzNJ
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14 years ago

"Bush tax cuts: $544.3 billion. The package would extend the Bush tax cuts for everyone for two years.

The bulk of that cost -- $463 billion -- is for the extension of cuts for families making less than $250,000, including two years of relief for 2010 and 2011 for the middle class from the Alternative Minimum Tax.

The rest -- $81.5 billion -- is attributable to the extension of cuts that apply to the highest income families." ~ CNNMoney


This was the estimated breakdown of the two year extension that expires at the end of 2012. During August, Obama went after the $81.5 billion portion because the rich weren't paying their fair share. This was part of the debt reduction impasse that led to the US credit rating being lowered.


Sorry FuzzNJ.....once again you're all rhetoric and no substance and all from the comfort of the couch.

HockeyDad wrote:



The 81.5 billion goes to less than 3% of all households in the US.

The 463 goes to 97%+.
FuzzNJ
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14 years ago

You find it sad that people won't vote to raid the treasury in their favor. You made the point.

HockeyDad wrote:



So you are taking the pro-tax position now? I'm taking the position that tax cuts should be cut for the middle class and raised on the wealthy, as a simple proposition. In reality the position is much more complicated as is the tax code itself and not worthy of discussion here.
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