I just want to know if it's still irresponsible and unpatriotic? The things these silly arses will say to get elected! [frypan]

Humastronaut wrote:

I don't think you are reading my posts correctly. I never blamed Bush for all, I never excused Obama, I objected to inflating Obama's numbers. The increase in debt from Jan 2009 to September is over 1.5 trillion. Even if the stimulus is added to the debt immediatly it would account for only 1/2 of that number, but again it isn't, it's budgeted over 10 years.

Of course the debt is too large, no question, but this problem goes back 30 years. It's the DC mentality, not any particular President. Every single one has added to the debt, some more than others, I understand that. Obama is just the latest and greatest to do it, but the next 3 are Reagan, Bush and Bush who raised the debt around 900%

"Federal debt began the 20th century at less than 10 percent of GDP. It jerked above 30 percent as a result of World War I and then declined in the 1920s to 16.3 percent by 1929. Federal debt started to increase after the Crash of 1929, and rose above 40 percent in the depths of the Great Depression."

"Federal debt exploded during World War II to over 120 percent of GDP, and then began a decline that bottomed out at 32 percent of GDP in 1974. Federal debt almost doubled in the 1980s, reaching 60 percent of GDP in 1990 and peaking at 66 percent of GDP in 1996, before declining to 56 percent in 2001. Federal debt started increasing again in the 2000s, reaching 70 percent of GDP in 2008. Then it exploded in the aftermath of the Crash of 2008, reaching 102 percent of GDP in 2011."

"Federal debt has breached 100 percent of GDP twice since 1900: during World War II and in the aftermath of the Crash of 2008."

Edit: Clinton's cbo projection is dismissed as incorrect, but Obama's is correct. Simply can't have it both ways. Projections are based on the situation and policies now, those can change. They obviously did when W. took over and the projections were ammended. Raising taxes won't fix all of it, cutting spending won't either, it requires a comprehensive approach and the politics of the moment do not allow for that. Obama has proposed a more comprehensive approach, the Republicans just want spending cuts, but haven't come up with anything that will save any real money, they just bring up projects they have always hated that amount to nothing in comparison to the entire budget.

FuzzNJ wrote:

I read it quite clearly and it wasn't me who wanted it both ways. You want to use 9 months of a fiscal year against the previous president when new presidents have always implemented new policies that basically throw the budget out of the window. We agree the debt is out of control and though all presidents have some culpability, the current and previous are some of the worst offenders. The point of the op was Obama's hypocrisy regarding how unpatriotic Bush was for his spending when he himself is outspending Bush. What is truly ridiculous is the democrats are proposing only cuts to prior increases in spending not actual spending cuts. To get our fiscal house in order will require some significant sacrifices from most Americans but no one, regardless of which side of the fence they sit on, wants it to come from their kitty.

Ragin' Cajun wrote:

What the hell? The budget runs to September. 9 months on the old budget with whatever other non-budget funding they push for and get. How is that trying to have it both ways? The budget isn't thrown out either.

Now as far as the original post is concerned, it's obvious that, according to this statement, that Obama would be unpatriotic, as he set it up. I don't think any president is unpatriotic for this reason though.

FuzzNJ wrote:

What the hell? The budget runs to September. 9 months on the old budget with whatever other non-budget funding they push for and get. How is that trying to have it both ways? The budget isn't thrown out either.

Now as far as the original post is concerned, it's obvious that, according to this statement, that Obama would be unpatriotic, as he set it up. I don't think any president is unpatriotic for this reason though.

FuzzNJ wrote:

What the hell? The budget runs to September. 9 months on the old budget with whatever other non-budget funding they push for and get. How is that trying to have it both ways? The budget isn't thrown out either.

FuzzNJ wrote:

Well last time he proposed one I believe exactly ZERO democrats voted for it.

ZRX1200 wrote:

Most likely he didn't mean what he said, we are all to stupid to grasp his intellect...🍺

dubleuhb wrote: