DrMaddVibe
14 years ago

black and mild

05busa wrote:




Um...I don't that's Black and Mild...oh you're half right...but that sounds more like Black and Outrage to me!
DrMaddVibe
14 years ago
Warning Graphic Photo: Possible New Evidence Shows George Zimmerman's Bloodied Head

A new photograph obtained exclusively by ABC News showing the bloodied back of George Zimmerman's head, which was taken three minutes after he shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, gives possible credence to his claim that Martin had bashed his head against the concrete as he fought for his life.
Click here to view the image. Warning: graphic content.

The revelation comes as his attorney and prosecutors prepare for Zimmerman's bail hearing today, which could result in his being released from jail. Zimmerman, 28, is being held on charges of second-degree murder for the Feb. 26 shooting of Martin, which could carry a life sentence if he is convicted.

The exclusive image shows blood trickling down the back of George Zimmerman's head from two small cuts. It also shows a possible contusion forming on the crown of his head. The original police report that night notes that the back of Zimmerman's head was wet, and that he was bleeding from the nose and head.

Zimmerman told police that night that he shot and killed the teenager in self-defense after Martin punched him and pounced on him. Zimmerman told police that Martin then bashed his head into the concrete sidewalk during the altercation that took place in the tidy middle-class development of the Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, Fla.

Zimmerman was treated at the scene by paramedics, then cuffed and driven in a police cruiser to the Sanford police station. He was questioned for hours and later released. In police surveillance video obtained last month by ABC News Zimmerman's wounds are not apparent, and there were no bandages on his head.

Zimmerman was not admitted to a hospital or given stitches the night of the incident.

The photographer told ABC News exclusively that they did not see the scuffle that night, but did hear it. The source saw Martin's prostrate body on the wet grass and claims the gunpowder burns on Martin's gray hoodie were clearly visible; the gunpowder marks could show that Martin was shot at very close range.

The photographer says that after the shooting Zimmerman asked to call his wife. When the photographer asked what to say, Zimmerman allegedly blurted out "man, just tell her I shot someone."

ABC News has learned that investigators have seen the photo.

"How bad could it have been if they didn't take him to the hospital [and] didn't stitch him up," Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump said in a statement to ABC News in response to the image. "The special prosecutor has seen all the evidence and still believes George Zimmerman murdered Trayvon Martin."

Zimmerman's attorney Mark O'Mara says his client has spent enough time behind bars.

"He needs to get out. He should not be in jail," O'Mara said. "I want him out because I need him out. He wants to get out. His family wants it out. It should happen."

If Zimmerman is released, his attorney tells ABC News that he has a number of potential safe houses prepared. In the meantime O'Mara says the former altar boy, who has become America's highest profile defendant, has been reading the Bible while in protective custody.

In a bail hearing in Florida, the burden of proof to deny bail, even in a second degree murder trial, is higher than necessary to seek a conviction in a trial.

"They would have to prove that the presumption of guilt is great, and that the proof is evident," said O'Mara.

In the capias -- similar to a warrant -- filed against Zimmerman last week, Special Prosecutor Angela Corey and her team set bail at "none." In order to reduce that to bail at a set monetary sum, Corey's team would have to essentially prove their case -- something experts tell ABC News is unlikely at this point in the legal process.

O'Mara said he doubts the prosecutor will reveal their case before trial, even before discovery.

http://gma.yahoo.com/warning-graphic-photo-possible-evidence-shows-george-zimmermans-050145810--abc-news-topstories.html 



:-k


More facts...pardon the pun...trickling in!
bloody spaniard
14 years ago
^ Go get 'em, mistah man. =d>
DrMaddVibe
14 years ago
DERSHOWITZ BLASTS ZIMMERMAN PROSECUTION: 'NOT ONLY IMMORAL, BUT STUPID'

With ABC News’ release of the George Zimmerman photo showing blood flowing freely from his head, the question becomes whether Angela Corey, the prosecutor in the case, had access to the photo before charging Zimmerman with second-degree murder.

The arrest affidavit did not mention the photograph, or the bleeding, gashes, and bruises on Zimmermans’ head. Professor Alan Dershowitz of Harvard Law School stated upon release of the arrest affidavit that it was “so thin that it won’t make it past a judge on a second degree murder charge … everything in the affidavit is completely consistent with a defense of self-defense.”

After the release of the photo, however, Dershowitz went much further, telling Breitbart News that if the prosecutors did have the photo and didn’t mention it in the affidavit, that would constitute a “grave ethical violation,” since affidavits are supposed to contain “all relevant information.”

Dershowitz continued, “An affidavit that willfully misstates undisputed evidence known to the prosecution is not only unethical but borders on perjury because an affiant swears to tell not only the truth, but the whole truth, and suppressing an important part of the whole truth is a lie."

When asked if it made a difference whether the prosecution had the bloody photograph at the time they charged Zimmerman, Dershowitz responded, “We do know that there were earlier photographs before the affidavit was done that strongly suggested blood on the back of the head, and we know the police had first access to him, so if there was blood they [the prosecution] would know about it …

"I've had cases in Florida against prosecutors,” Dershowitz said, “and this is not the first time they have willfully omitted exculpatory evidence. It's a continuing problem. Here, it’s not only immoral, but stupid. The whole country is watching. What do they benefit from having half-truths in an affidavit?"

Dershowitz added, "I'm not taking sides, but I'm insisting that both sides play by the rules, and so far the prosecution is not playing by the rules."

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/04/20/Dershowitz-prosecution-immoral 




Where's Al and Jesse now? Black Panthers? Where?

Can I see ANOTHER photo of Trayvon when he was 5 again?
HockeyDad
14 years ago
If that is him, these charges need to go ahead and be dropped.

wheelrite
14 years ago

If that is him, these charges need to go ahead and be dropped.

HockeyDad wrote:




Sanford and Son Florida
DrMaddVibe
14 years ago
Experts say Zimmerman attorney made smart move

SANFORD, Fla. (AP) — By questioning a state investigator on the witness stand during a routine bail hearing, George Zimmerman's defense attorney showed some of the weaknesses in prosecutors' claims that the neighborhood watch volunteer committed second-degree murder, legal experts say.

A judge ruled Friday that Zimmerman can be released on $150,000 bail while he awaits trial on murdering 17-year-old Trayvon Martin during a Feb. 26 confrontation in a Sanford, Fla. gated community. Zimmerman apologized to Martin's parents, who were in the courtroom for the bail hearing, in a surprise appearance on the witness stand. Zimmerman is pleading not guilty and claims self-defense.

"I am sorry for the loss of your son," said Zimmerman, marking the first time he has spoken in public about the confrontation with the unarmed black teen. "I did not know how old he was. I thought he was a little bit younger than I am. I did not know if he was armed or not."

The apology came after Zimmerman's defense attorney, Mark O'Mara, questioned an investigator for the special prosecutor, sentence by sentence, about a probable cause affidavit the investigator signed outlining certain facts in the case.

Investigator Dale Gilbreath testified that he does not know whether Martin or Zimmerman threw the first punch and that there is no evidence to disprove Zimmerman's contention he was walking back to his vehicle when confronted by Martin. The affidavit says "Zimmerman confronted Martin and a struggle ensued."

But Gilbreath also said Zimmerman's claim that Martin was slamming his head against the sidewalk just before he shot the teenager was "not consistent with the evidence we found." He gave no details.

Legal observers said the questioning of Gilbreath was strategically smart for O'Mara since the investigator's statements can be used at a later date to either contradict other testimony or be used to decide how to question other witnesses.

"I thought it was a really great thing to do," said Tom Mesereau, a Los Angeles attorney whose clients have included singer Michael Jackson and actor Robert Blake. "He used the hearing to get information that can only help his defense. What was supposed to be strictly a hearing for bail, he used it as a discovery device, and was able to nail the investigator into making very, very pointed statements about the investigation and about what evidence they have."

The questioning exposed some of the weaknesses in the state's case, said Kendall Coffey, a former U.S. Attorney in Miami who is now in private practice.

"There are many miles left in this case but I think O'Mara helped the defense by eliciting those responses," Coffey said. "He is going to look for the chance to cross-examine that same investigator and ask him the same questions. If the investigator changes his story, he is going to lose credibility with the jury."

Prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda dismissed any notion that the investigator's testimony chipped away at their case.
"You have not heard all of the evidence," de la Rionda said after the hearing. "Please be patient and wait for the trial."

Bail is not unheard of in second-degree murder cases, and legal experts had predicted it would be granted for Zimmerman because of his ties to the community, because he turned himself in after he was charged last week, and because he has never been convicted of a serious crime.

Prosecutors had asked for $1 million bail, citing two previous scrapes Zimmerman had with the law, neither of which resulted in charges. In 2005, he had to take anger management courses after he was accused of attacking an undercover officer who was trying to arrest Zimmerman's friend. In another incident, a girlfriend accused him of attacking her.

In taking the stand, Zimmerman opened himself up to questions from de la Rionda, who grilled him on whether he made an apology to police on the night of the shooting, and why he waited so long to express remorse to Martin's parents.

Zimmerman said he told police he felt sorry for the parents. He also said he didn't say anything to them sooner because his former attorneys told him not to.

The parents, Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton, had no comment as they left the courtroom.. Their attorneys spurned the apology.

"This was the most disingenuous and unfair thing I've seen," said attorney Natalie Jackson. "This was the most unmeaningful apology."

As part of the bail hearing, Zimmerman's family testified that he wouldn't flee if released and would be no threat to the community.

"He is absolutely not a violent person," said his wife, Shellie Zimmerman.

Zimmerman's father, Robert Zimmerman, said that even when confronted, his son was likely to "turn the other cheek." The father also described his son's injuries the morning after Martin was shot, saying he had a cut and swollen lip, a protective cover over his nose and gashes on the back of his head.

Zimmerman's mother, Gladys, said her son worked with two black children as part of a mentoring program that required him to venture into a dangerous neighborhood. "He said, 'Mom, if I don't go, they don't have nobody,'" she recalled.
pdxstogieman
14 years ago

Florida is a Sh$Thole...

wheelrite wrote:



It will be hard for anyone to challenge your expert opinion of Florida as living in Texas fully qualifies one to know what constitutes a Sh#thole.
DadZilla3
14 years ago
I'm wondering how much national shock and outrage would be generated had the roles been reversed and it was Trayvon Martin popping a cap or two on George Zimmerman.

My guess: virtually none, outside of Zimmerman's immediate family.
wheelrite
14 years ago

It will be hard for anyone to challenge your expert opinion of Florida as living in Texas fully qualifies one to know what constitutes a Sh#thole.

pdxstogieman wrote:



Thanks !
rfenst
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14 years ago


Where's Al and Jesse now? Black Panthers? Where?

Can I see ANOTHER photo of Trayvon when he was 5 again?



Not in the court room, that's for sure!
rfenst
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14 years ago
Without seeing all the affidavits, the autopsy report, scene photos and evidence collected, statements made by Z to the cops, any videos the cops took of Z at the station, EMT report, ETC., ETC and hearing or reading expert opinions?

That is the evidence I would want to look at before considering dismissal based on the defense of reasonable self-defense. Due Process, baby- the State is entitled to it too!

The new guy, Judge Lester. Is extremely thorough and thinks things through. He makes critical decisions promptly. And is tough in the sense that he will require EVERYTHING before making a decision. Since he knows more than the public now, he has already consciously or sub-consciously begun his preliminary decision-making as to whether to dismiss the case.

I think it is leaning towards Zimmerman right now as evidenced by the bail amount. The lower the amount, the less likely it is the judge believes he may be guilty...

wheelrite
14 years ago
who cares..

Old News..

Hispanics kill blacks everyday...


rfenst
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14 years ago

It will be hard for anyone to challenge your expert opinion of Florida as living in Texas fully qualifies one to know what constitutes a Sh#thole.

pdxstogieman wrote:



That's not true.
HD and MVibe both live here in Florida, as do Russian Crusher, Rut-Ro, Vro (snowbird) and several others.





LOL!
05busa
14 years ago

Nothing like another killing called racist





Looks like i gotta get my "Keel Whitey" hoody out

05busa wrote:


I got my....."Im free...Thank god O'mighty im free at last" Hoody on
DrMaddVibe
14 years ago
George Zimmerman Released From Florida Jail on $150,000 Bond

George Zimmerman has been released from a Florida jail after posting $150,000 bond as he awaits trial for the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

Zimmerman exited the John E. Polk Correctional Facility (JEPCF) at the Seminole County Sheriff's Office at approximately midnight on Monday. The 28-year-old posted bond and was fitted with an electronic monitoring device prior to release, according to a statement from the Seminole County Sheriff's Office.

The GPS device, which can give immediate identification of an offender's whereabouts at any given time, will be monitored by the SCSO and Seminole County Probation.

At a bond hearing on Friday morning Judge Kenneth Lester agreed to allow Zimmerman, who is charged with second degree murder, to post a $150,000 bond to get out of jail. The prosecution had argued that Zimmerman should be denied bail or that it should be set at $1 million.

Zimmerman is being held on charges of second-degree murder for the Feb. 26 shooting of Martin, 17, which could carry a life sentence if he is convicted.

George Zimmerman stunned a Florida court Friday by taking the stand and apologizing to the parents of Trayvon Martin, who were sitting in the courtroom during Zimmerman's bond hearing.

"I am sorry for the loss of your son. I did not know how old he was. I thought he was a little bit younger than I am. I did not know if he was armed or not," Zimmerman said addressing Martin's family directly.

Zimmerman told police the night he shot and killed Martin that he acted in self-defense after Martin punched him and pounced on him. Zimmerman told police that Martin then bashed his head into the concrete sidewalk during the altercation that took place in the tidy middle-class development of the Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, Fla.

http://gma.yahoo.com/george-zimmerman-released-florida-jail-150-000-bond-044511022--abc-news-topstories.html 



Just the facts.
Papachristou
14 years ago

.

Dersch mentioned Zimmerman's clothing was stained. I want to see photos and/or a police report proving this. Not hearsay.

Another point that Dersch made that many don't understand is that even if Zimmerman initiated the contact and was aggressive, HE STILL MAY HAVE HAD A RIGHT TO SHOOT IN SELF DEFENSE.




rfenst wrote:




rfenst, i dont have a link but i did see the pdf of the alleged report and the officer mentioned that Z's back was wet as if he had been laying in the grass or something along those lines. dont quote me though as it was a few weeks ago. maybe someone can post a link to the report?


yes, i agree. just because i confront someone doesnt mean they have the right to start bashing my head into the sidewalk. i posed this question to a few of my friends and their responses were dissapointing. If i was a minor , was in a neighborhood i didnt live in and was confronted by an adult, i would identify myself and who i was staying with.

hey man, sorry, my name is trey, im just walking back to Ms smith's house where my dad and i are staying.
oh ok man, i know her. sorry buddy, there has just been a lot of crime around here lately.

they replied they would have said F*#@ you man, get the F away from me. not a good answer IMO (for any situation)



i wonder if Trey's twitter posts about punching the bus driver and his troubles at school will come into play?


damn msnbc article just today ended with Trey who is black and zimmerman whose father is white and mother is peruvian!!! you see him and his dad i think walking to the bmw. zimmerman jr is clearly hispanic and zimmerman sr is clearly white.
Papachristou
14 years ago
i just read that article with the picture of zimmerman's bloodied head. the photographer mentioned that trey had gunpower marks on the front of his hoodie which may lend credence to zimmerman's story.

"The photographer told ABC News exclusively that they did not see the scuffle that night, but did hear it. The source saw Martin's prostrate body on the wet grass and claims the gunpowder burns on Martin's gray hoodie were clearly visible; the gunpowder marks could show that Martin was shot at very close range. "


i know it doesnt look just terribly bad but it would definitely rock me. lots of players get concussions even while wearing helmets and their heads arent even bleeding
ZRX1200
14 years ago
" Z's back was wet"


Only half I thought.......???
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