victor809
Thursday, May 10, 2012 5:38:56 PM
Apropos of nothing, I was digging up some old threads from the victor8xx time period. They are all now under victor808 (because they were all linked to the same email address).... Some of these are freaking hilarious....

http://www.cigarbid.com/Forum/c/posts/307059/Dear-Overlord-Sven 

http://www.cigarbid.com/Forum/c/posts/306872/Ping-SvenR 

victor809
Thursday, May 10, 2012 5:49:43 PM
Hah! And here's the original thread that got me banned!!!! Awesome!

http://www.cigarbid.com/Forum/c/posts/196140/Just-a-personal-observation- 

8trackdisco
Thursday, May 10, 2012 6:46:13 PM

I doubt it. They don't seem to concerned about posts that make fun of gay people. There's a lot more offensive stuff that hasn't been removed than anything said in this topic.

SammyETN wrote:

Sammy,

Hang around as long as you like, but this isn't a place for the thin skinned.

8trackdisco
Thursday, May 10, 2012 6:52:21 PM

Somewhere right now a gay rugby player just got beaten up because of Tailgater's post.

HockeyDad wrote:

And a fairy gets its cleats.

dkeage
Thursday, May 10, 2012 7:13:20 PM

And a fairy gets its cleats.

8trackdisco wrote:

I guess I need to turn up the volume on my iPad....

8trackdisco
Thursday, May 10, 2012 7:16:35 PM

I guess I need to turn up the volume on my iPad....

dkeage wrote:

I just turned up the volume on my 8track player.

SammyETN
Thursday, May 10, 2012 7:20:05 PM

Sammy,

Hang around as long as you like, but this isn't a place for the thin skinned.

8trackdisco wrote:

Not being thin skinned, just making an observation.

8trackdisco
Thursday, May 10, 2012 8:02:27 PM

Not being thin skinned, just making an observation.

SammyETN wrote:

Just so I'm straight (pardon the pun) I wasn't suggesting you are. Simply if you are, this can be a rough place.

What do you think of all this?

wheelrite
Thursday, May 10, 2012 8:05:41 PM

Just so I'm straight (pardon the pun) I wasn't suggesting you are. Simply if you are, this can be a rough place.

What do you think of all this?

8trackdisco wrote:

It's great place to meet Broads...

ScottHar
Thursday, May 10, 2012 9:51:28 PM
These days, I assume *everything* is payback. Ya know, for Trayvon.
SammyETN
Thursday, May 10, 2012 9:59:00 PM

Just so I'm straight (pardon the pun) I wasn't suggesting you are. Simply if you are, this can be a rough place.

What do you think of all this?

8trackdisco wrote:

I'm cool with a person stating their opinion regardless if I agree or not. I believe some of the things I have seen here in the past few years have been in extremely bad taste but that's just my opinion which really doesn't count for anything. As for this being a rough place, no big deal. There are six people whose opinions matter to me and none of them are members here. As a result of that, I could not care less about anything someone says to me or about me.

I do plan on sticking around because I'm here for the prices and I think the bombings are cool and want to see the results.

Whistlebritches
Thursday, May 10, 2012 10:34:44 PM
I think Victor is a closet *&%# sucker and this is his coming out party.

Ron

ZRX1200
Thursday, May 10, 2012 11:06:34 PM
tailgater
Friday, May 11, 2012 12:00:32 AM

But that's close to what I meant when I said the statement itself is too broad. We're talking around a very similar point here. And to say that the statement "Isn't always marginalizing" is accurate. Unfortunately, your meaning when saying something is almost irrelevant (as we have seen many times in the past here). To some extent, a speaker is responsible for the misinterpretation of their words as well. I know, I know, you're going to cry foul here, etc etc. But there is real life examples of this. When you lie through omission, that's a clear example of making a statement which allows you to both say what you mean, but allow the listener to hear something completely different. In those cases, do you really think the speaker bears no responsibility for the miscommunication?

As for whether all the disparaging things on this forum are in fun, I'm going to call bs on that.

victor809 wrote:

If someone takes a statement the wrong way, too bad.

We've become a nation that cares more about "how" someone might interpret your comment then what the intent actually was.

And to get back on topic, I still don't think that type of dialog makes people do bad things. That blames an innocent person for the comments, and it lessens the responsibility of those who commit the act.

DrMaddVibe
Friday, May 11, 2012 8:05:52 AM

And a fairy gets its cleats.

8trackdisco wrote:

FAIRIES WEAR CLEATS AND YOU BETTER BELIEVE THEM.....:-"

victor809
Friday, May 11, 2012 8:58:16 AM

I think Victor is a closet *&%# sucker and this is his coming out party.

Ron

Whistlebritches wrote:

Really britches?

I think its funny that over the many many years essentially the only comments you've made in threads I've posted in have been about your eagerly anticipating a time when I decide to be gay.

I think that says more about you than it does about me.

victor809
Friday, May 11, 2012 9:05:35 AM

If someone takes a statement the wrong way, too bad.

We've become a nation that cares more about "how" someone might interpret your comment then what the intent actually was.

And to get back on topic, I still don't think that type of dialog makes people do bad things. That blames an innocent person for the comments, and it lessens the responsibility of those who commit the act.

tailgater wrote:

Do you really think "responsibility" is a zero sum game? (the correct answer is it isn't) If a mom casually hands her daughter to a stranger to watch for 30 minutes while she runs in to the bar, and the stranger turns out to be a pedophile, who is to blame? Is the pedophile's responsibility for raping the kid any lessened by the fact that the mother is responsible for handing her over? Is the pedophile less responsible for his actions than if he'd had to steal the kid off the playground? (the correct answer is no).

As for whether a person giving a serious opinion which can be interpreted as a marginalization of any group is "innocent", that's a very questionable statement and I'd like to refer you to my earlier comment about lying through omission.

stogiemonger
Friday, May 11, 2012 9:11:41 AM

If a mom casually hands her daughter to a stranger to watch for 30 minutes while she runs in to the bar, and the stranger turns out to be a pedophile, who is to blame? Is the pedophile's responsibility for raping the kid any lessened by the fact that the mother is responsible for handing her over? Is the pedophile less responsible for his actions than if he'd had to steal the kid off the playground?

victor809 wrote:

A rather disturbing analogy.

tailgater
Friday, May 11, 2012 9:32:01 AM

Do you really think "responsibility" is a zero sum game? (the correct answer is it isn't) If a mom casually hands her daughter to a stranger to watch for 30 minutes while she runs in to the bar, and the stranger turns out to be a pedophile, who is to blame? Is the pedophile's responsibility for raping the kid any lessened by the fact that the mother is responsible for handing her over? Is the pedophile less responsible for his actions than if he'd had to steal the kid off the playground? (the correct answer is no).

As for whether a person giving a serious opinion which can be interpreted as a marginalization of any group is "innocent", that's a very questionable statement and I'd like to refer you to my earlier comment about lying through omission.

victor809 wrote:

So musicians who write songs about killing cops are responsible for those crimes when committed by their listening audience?

I guess we should then infer that the pro-choice crowd are therefore responsible each time a young mother aborts her unborn child.

In your example, the mother is guilty of putting her child in harms way. She is an irresponsible parent and should have her child taken away regardless of whether a pedophile took advantage of the situation or not.

Two different crimes.

I do find it odd that you're trying so hard to argue against personal responsibility.

People need to take ownership of their actions.

Jokes, honest opinions, and discussions with negative overtones are not the problem.

Which of the following is 100% true:

A. We are discussing gay rugby beatings because thugs beat up gay rugby players.

B. Gay rugby players got beat up because we are discussing it.

HockeyDad
Friday, May 11, 2012 9:32:37 AM

A rather disturbing analogy.

stogiemonger wrote:

Victor's been overreaching since post #1.