DrMaddVibe
13 years ago



Pay attention to the morons.


When someone shows you who they are...BELIEVE THEM!
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DrMaddVibe
13 years ago
CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) — Needled by Mitt Romney and other Republicans, Democrats hurriedly rewrote their convention platform Wednesday to add a mention of God and declare Jerusalem the capital of Israel after President Barack Obama intervened to order the changes.

The embarrassing reversal was compounded by chaos and uncertainty on the convention floor, requiring three votes before a ruling that the amendments had been approved. Many in the audience booed the decision.
The episode exposed tensions on Israel within the party, put Democrats on the defensive and created a public relations spectacle as Obama arrived in the convention city to claim his party's nomination for a second term.
The language in the party platform — a political document — does not affect actual U.S. policy toward Israel. The administration has long said that determining Jerusalem's status is an issue that should be decided in peace talks by Israelis and Palestinians.

Obama intervened directly to get the language changed both on Jerusalem and to reinstate God in the platform, according to campaign officials who insisted on anonymity to describe behind-the-scenes party negotiations. They said Obama's reaction to the omission of God from the platform was to wonder why it was removed in the first place.

The revisions came as Obama struggles to win support from white working-class voters, many of whom have strong religious beliefs, and as Republicans try to woo Jewish voters and contributors away from the Democratic Party. Republicans claimed the platform omissions suggested Obama was weak in his defense of Israel and out of touch with mainstream Americans.

GOP officials argued that not taking a position on Jerusalem's status in the party platform raised questions about Obama's support for the Mideast ally. Romney said omitting God "suggests a party that is increasingly out of touch with the mainstream of the American people."

"I think this party is veering further and further away into an extreme wing that Americans don't recognize," Romney said.

Added to the platform was a declaration that Jerusalem "is and will remain the capital of Israel. The parties have agreed that Jerusalem is a matter for final status negotiations. It should remain an undivided city accessible to people of all faiths."

That language was included in the platform four years ago when Obama ran for his first term, but was left out when Democrats on Tuesday approved their 2012 platform, which referred only to the nation's "unshakable commitment to Israel's security."

Some delegates were angered by the change.

"There was no discussion. We didn't even see it coming. We were blindsided by it," said Noor Ul-Hasan, a Muslim delegate from Salt Lake City, who questioned whether the convention had enough of a quorum to even amend the platform.

Also restored from the 2008 platform was language calling for a government that "gives everyone willing to work hard the chance to make the most of their God-given potential."

For decades, Republican and Democratic administrations alike have said it is up to the Israelis and Palestinians to settle Jerusalem's final status — a position reiterated earlier Wednesday by the White House. Both sides claim Jerusalem as their capital, and the city's status has long been among the thorniest issues in Mideast peace talks.
The U.S. has its embassy in Tel Aviv, although numerous Republicans — including Mitt Romney — have vowed to move the embassy to Jerusalem.

During his 2008 campaign, Obama referred to Jerusalem as Israel's capital in a speech to AIPAC, a pro-Israel lobby. But as official policy, his administration has repeatedly maintained that Jerusalem's status is an issue that Israelis and Palestinians should decide in peace talks. The platform flub gave Republicans an opening to revive their attacks on Obama's support for Israel just as Democrats were hoping to bask in the glow of first lady Michelle Obama's Tuesday speech and gin up excitement for her husband, who will accept his party's nomination for a second term on Thursday.

But restoring the language did not placate Republicans, who used it to suggest that Obama's party is now more supportive than he is of the Jewish state.

"Now is the time for President Obama to state in unequivocal terms whether or not he believes Jerusalem is Israel's capital," said Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul.

Even as Democrats worked to quell the political fallout from the omission, some Democrats in Charlotte were in open revolt. Angry delegates screamed and threw their hands in the air as Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, the convention chairman, declared the amendments approved.

"The majority spoke last night," said Angela Urrea, a delegate from Roy, Utah. "We shouldn't be declaring Jerusalem as the capital of Israel."

Sen. Bob Casey, D-Pa., said the move was a "reasonable adjustment," but suggested the party could have avoided the skirmish.

Republicans declared Jerusalem the capital of Israel in the platform the party approved last week at its convention in Tampa, Fla. GOP platforms in 2004 and 2008 also called Jerusalem the capital.


http://news.yahoo.com/democrats-change-platform-add-god-jerusalem-211928130--election.html 
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gringococolo
13 years ago
Shalom bitches.
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rfenst
13 years ago
Major "political fumble" that should have been a no-brainer. Would love to know the inside politics of how that occurred and who was driving removal from the platform...
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frankj1
13 years ago
if there is no country named Palestine...how can they have a capital?
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rfenst
13 years ago
Romney's wiser move would have been to wait until the Convention was over and then start hammering the point- after it would be too late to change the D's platform.
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HockeyDad
13 years ago

if there is no country named Palestine...how can they have a capital?

frankj1 wrote:




They could just declare a country using a UN partition mandate from 1947.....or just do it the old fashioned way.....send sweeping hordes marauding across the region, North Africa, and into Spain!
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DrMaddVibe
13 years ago

Romney's wiser move would have been to wait until the Convention was over and then start hammering the point- after it would be too late to change the D's platform.

rfenst wrote:




Why wait?


Expose them for the morons they are at the earliest convenience. Catch them at their mistakes and watch them squirm to appease the fringe elements of their base!

Watch the YouTube and look at their faces...THEY'RE PISSED! Hear the yea/nay votes. The lady told the guy take the vote and let them do what they do.

You can CLEARLY hear that each and every time the Nays had it.

Explain it all away though like a good little water carrier.
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DrMaddVibe
13 years ago
Opening Jewish eyes to the true nature of the Democratic party

I've been arguing for more than six years on this blog that the Democratic party is not pro-Israel, and I've been arguing for more than five years (since March 2007) that Barack Hussein Obama is not pro-Israel either. For those of you who have refused to listen, what happened Wednesday at the Democratic National Convention might have been an eye-opening experience... if you opened your eyes. Here's Abe Greenwald in Commentary.

Today, America got an unvarnished look at the Democratic Party’s internal conflict on Israel. Half of the Party represents the pro-Israel consensus in America. The other half? Not so much. For all the talk about the unrecognizably extreme new Republican Party, it’s the Democrats whose fringe has quietly made deep inroads into the center—especially when it concerns Israel—and fundamentally altered the nature of the Party.

When Villaraigosa heard the split vote he looked like a performer suddenly forced to work off-script—because that’s exactly what he was. The Democratic script is composed of declarations about America’s special relationship with Israel, the continued U.S. commitment to Israeli security, and the unbreakable bonds that unite Israelis and Americans against common foes. Democratic politicians can rattle off those proclamations in their sleep. What the Israel-Lobby paranoids ignore is that it’s all meant to satisfy the majority American opinion of support for Israel, not appease some shifty cabal of wealthy bigots.

Today’s fiasco might do tremendous damage to Jewish support for Democrats but it will certainly open a new chapter in anti-Israel paranoia. The Democrats, including Barack Obama, will take hits coming and going: from Israel supporters whose eyes have been opened to the nature of the Democratic Party and from Israel bashers who see the Zionist hand behind the convention chaos. Such is the price paid for a party divided.
Keep your eyes open folks. There's more to come.


http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2012/09/opening-jewish-eyes-to-true-nature-of.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter 

Watch the base SQUIRM.
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DrMaddVibe
13 years ago
Here's Abe's commentary in full:


Democratic Delegates Boo “Jerusalem”


The Democratic platform once again acknowledges Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, but the reinstitution of the language in question (and the reinstituted reference to God) was more alarming than the initial change. When Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa called for Yeas and Nays on the decision he found a roughly even split among delegates. After repeating the process two more times, a befuddled Villaraigosa was visited on stage by a party official who seemingly advised him to declare the needed two-thirds in favor of the change regardless of what the delegates actually conveyed. This he promptly did, eliciting a wave of boos.

Let the paranoia begin. For the professional alarmists who see an all-powerful Israel lobby lurking behind every bush, rock, and cloud, today’s debacle is a goldmine. What could be a greater demonstration of the Israel Lobby’s dangerous subversion of American democracy than the sham vote at the Democratic National Convention that saw pro-Israel language shoved into the party platform over the heads of party delegates?

The reality of the situation, however, is both more interesting and more frightening than intrepid Zionist-spotters would have you believe. Today, America got an unvarnished look at the Democratic Party’s internal conflict on Israel. Half of the Party represents the pro-Israel consensus in America. The other half? Not so much. For all the talk about the unrecognizably extreme new Republican Party, it’s the Democrats whose fringe has quietly made deep inroads into the center—especially when it concerns Israel—and fundamentally altered the nature of the Party.

When Villaraigosa heard the split vote he looked like a performer suddenly forced to work off-script—because that’s exactly what he was. The Democratic script is composed of declarations about America’s special relationship with Israel, the continued U.S. commitment to Israeli security, and the unbreakable bonds that unite Israelis and Americans against common foes. Democratic politicians can rattle off those proclamations in their sleep. What the Israel-Lobby paranoids ignore is that it’s all meant to satisfy the majority American opinion of support for Israel, not appease some shifty cabal of wealthy bigots.

Today’s fiasco might do tremendous damage to Jewish support for Democrats but it will certainly open a new chapter in anti-Israel paranoia. The Democrats, including Barack Obama, will take hits coming and going: from Israel supporters whose eyes have been opened to the nature of the Democratic Party and from Israel bashers who see the Zionist hand behind the convention chaos. Such is the price paid for a party divided.

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/09/05/re-democratic-delegates-boo-jerusalem/ 
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Stinkdyr
13 years ago
Dems didn't need to fold. They won't lose their largely lockstep illiberal lefty jewish base over this.

But it is fun to see them squirm.

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DrMaddVibe
13 years ago

Dems didn't need to fold. They won't lose their largely lockstep illiberal lefty jewish base over this.

But it is fun to see them squirm.

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Stinkdyr wrote:




But fold they did!

Even after having a muslim pilgrimage to Charlotte!

I'm waiting for the dynamite vests to start going off! They're crazy enough to do it too!
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rfenst
13 years ago

Why wait?


Expose them for the morons they are at the earliest convenience. Catch them at their mistakes and watch them squirm to appease the fringe elements of their base!

Watch the YouTube and look at their faces...THEY'RE PISSED! Hear the yea/nay votes. The lady told the guy take the vote and let them do what they do.

You can CLEARLY hear that each and every time the Nays had it.

Explain it all away though like a good little water carrier.

DrMaddVibe wrote:




Why wait?

You cannot figure that out on your own?

Here is why: By calling the D's out on the matter BEFORE their convention was over, Romney gave them time to fix the problem. Had he waited until AFTER the convention, the matter wouldn't have been resolved so early and easily. He could have then blamed it directly on Obama for failing top lead the D's and showing attack ads of Obama saying one thing, but the platform indicating another. Bad play on R's part.


So, they are morons. But, no one will watch the u-tube video. That is just the way people are....



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DrMaddVibe
13 years ago

Why wait?

You cannot figure that out on your own?

Here is why: By calling the D's out on the matter BEFORE their convention was over, Romney gave them time to fix the problem. Had he waited until AFTER the convention, the matter wouldn't have been resolved so early and easily. He could have then blamed it directly on Obama for failing top lead the D's and showing attack ads of Obama saying one thing, but the platform indicating another. Bad play on R's part.


So, they are morons. But, no one will watch the u-tube video. That is just the way people are....



rfenst wrote:




Umm...yeah...like I DID figure out and CLEARLY stated...Carry the water for Team Owedumba though...you'll be rewarded with Hope and Change now with Electrolytes!!!!

[frypan]

I can understand why you'd not watch the video...LOLOLOLOLOL!!! They're YOU'RE morons!
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rfenst
13 years ago

Dems didn't need to fold. They won't lose their largely lockstep illiberal lefty jewish base over this.

But it is fun to see them squirm.

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Stinkdyr wrote:



Israel is not the only reason Jews vote the way they do. 25% or so are ardent R's. Many are undecided and the predominant rest are D or D-leaning. And, if you think Jews are unthinking, largely lock-step lefty voters, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you!
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rfenst
13 years ago

Umm...yeah...like I DID figure out and CLEARLY stated...Carry the water for Team Owedumba though...you'll be rewarded with Hope and Change now with Electrolytes!!!!

[frypan]

DrMaddVibe wrote:




Stay on track. Instead of attacking me personally, explain why you think the strategy I think would have been better for Romney is wrong?
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DrMaddVibe
13 years ago

Stay on track. Instead of attacking me personally, explain why you think the strategy I think would have been better for Romney is wrong?

rfenst wrote:




Really?


You think I'm attacking you?


Use your brain and stop personalizing it! This thread isn't ABOUT YOU!

I've already stated why they decided to go public. It's much better to call them out for their poor behavior (which you're compliant with!) and watch them backtrack. They were wrong to even think about that...but here's the $64,000.00 question that you have to spin...If Owedumba was able to change it (by his own omission!) then why was it allowed to be stripped out to begin with!!!!


SPIN THAT ONE!
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BuckyB93
13 years ago
I tuned in for a little bit and caught that vote... it was a head scratcher.

Watch for yourself.



It was obviously predetermined. After the second vote he started reading the teleprompter and caught himself because it was clearly not a 2/3 majority and the guy didn't know what to do. Then the woman came out and pushed him along to force the adoption after a thrid vote.

Guess the delegates votes don't really count after all. What a piece of work.
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Stinkdyr
13 years ago

Israel is not the only reason Jews vote the way they do. 25% or so are ardent R's.

Many are undecided (youbetcha)

and the predominant rest are D or D-leaning (we agree)

. And, if you think Jews are unthinking, largely lock-step lefty voters (I think the above speaks for itself)

I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you! (how much? can I charge tolls?)

rfenst wrote:




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