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teedubbya
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13 years ago

#21

Just thinking about tactics (which has nothing to do with carrying water or even a political position) I agree with rfenst. The spin is easier this way than had the Rs just waited a bit. Of course if you are going to disregard the D spin no matter what they say you will likely disagree, but then again you are not the intended audiance.

If the Rs had waited until after the convention, Obama would have to own it or disagree with a plank in his party (Like Romney has to). Since they got it "fixed" now this will not happen. its the old PR move of taking the acute pain now rather than the chronic pain later.

As for the spin..... plausable deniability but when I found out I fixed it unlike my competitor.

Sure no one in here will buy it. I don't buy it. But as a tactic the Rs helped the Ds on this one by being too agressive to soon rather than thoughtful about it. It is their achillies heal to an extent.

I don't see rfenst's take as anything but an analysis of the game. Sure you can disagree with it but "carry the water?" meh.... not so much.

teedubbya
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13 years ago

#22

I'm also not sure the better off 4 years ago thing will work. I can't vote for the Big O cause I think he stinks.... but if folks are undecided and look at their 401 K (201K when Bush left office) that could be interesting.

DrMaddVibe
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13 years ago

#23

teedubbya wrote:

You agree with it...but don't "buy it"...that's about as wishy washy as you can get.

Thanks for delivering.[frypan]

If you were carrying the Kenyan King's jockstrap, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable bucket of water that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got 2 arms and believe in unicorns and Hope & Change -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

teedubbya
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13 years ago

#24

DrMaddVibe wrote:

Dude you are blind.

If I am watching you play chess against someone I hate (thus I am rooting for you) and see you make what I beleive is a bad move that doesn't lose the game but does give your opponent an advantage they didn't previously have and could have been avoided...... and say so.... it doesn't all of a sudden make me root for them or carry their water....

It is possible, in fact preferable, to recognize when your opponent gained an advantage by something you did or you will never learn from it.

It is possible to observe the race from many angles.... one is tactics. i think the Rs misplayed this tactically.

If you can't understand that concept that speaks louder than the menacing red letters often posted in here LOL

DrMaddVibe
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13 years ago

#25

teedubbya wrote:

There have been several thousand people that cashed in their 401K's to survive during this administration!

http://sdrostra.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Obama-economy-results3.png

BUSH isn't running! This is Owedumba's Economy and it's that giant sucking sound that Perot spoke of!

teedubbya
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13 years ago

#26

DrMaddVibe wrote:

If we are to look back to see if we are better off than we were 4 years ago that would neccesitate looking back to the Bush years..... that's the tactical issue in my eyes. I want to avoid Bush like the plague this cycle.... rather than give a reason to point the focus that way...... The Rs were doing well with that. i fear this is a mistake too.

Edited by user 13 years ago | Reason: Not specified

DrMaddVibe
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13 years ago

#27

teedubbya wrote:

You do whatever you need to do.

Please do so with some facts though. The whole fairy tale that Hope and Change worked? Please!

You're entitled to think whatever you want about how the Romney Campaign does their job just like I am...neither one of us WORK for it...it's OPINION!

This race hasn't been completed and is far from being over so feel free to get behind whatever racecar you need to and push it to the finishline as it coasts in on fumes...one is flush with money...one is operating in the red. Good luck!

teedubbya
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13 years ago

#28

DrMaddVibe wrote:

I never said hope and changed worked. I never said the race was completed. I actually was careful to state that it wasn't. Commenting on tactics isn't necessarily getting behind a particular race car. I recognize you can't see that though your blinders.

I hapen to agree that the thumbscrews could have been put on the Dems much tighter had things been done differently. You extrapolate that into assuming something about rnfest that may not be true. It certainly isn't true for me. Your passion(or hate...of Obama) can blind you at times to things that are pretty obvious.

teedubbya
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13 years ago

#29

And it is an opinion ... on tactics.... one that certainly can be wrong.... either way...

but to jump to you must support this, or beleive in hope and change, or whatever is really silly.

DrMaddVibe
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13 years ago

#30

And it is an opinion ... on tactics.... one that certainly can be wrong.... either way...

but to jump to you must support this, or beleive in hope and change, or whatever is really silly.

teedubbya wrote:

Well, I was fot it before I was against it....yeah...more doublespeak..what?🐴

teedubbya
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13 years ago

#31

Well, I was fot it before I was against it....yeah...more doublespeak..what?🐴

DrMaddVibe wrote:

You really can't be that blind can you? LOL I beleive you are smarter than this and arguing just to argue.

I'm rooting for my favorite football team. They have the ball 4th and 15 on their own 30. They go for it and run it up the middle. I say that was a bad call (tactics). They should have punted.

You say.... you are rooting for the other team. you want them to win. how can you say they are better? you can choose whatever team you want to be behind but at least have the facts.... etc...

silly... and incoherent

Edited by user 13 years ago | Reason: Not specified

rfenst
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13 years ago

#32

teedubbya wrote:

LOL!
(But you still need to dumb it down further)

DrMaddVibe
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13 years ago

#33

It certainly isn't true for me. Your passion(or hate...of Obama) can blind you at times to things that are pretty obvious.

teedubbya wrote:

You've got to be kidding me.

The openly declared Democrats on this board have carried the water. They have to. They need to. If they were to stop now, it would be an admission that they were wrong. Not one comment or serious thread from them about their guy screwing up...no...it's all been lollipops, rainbows and unicorn rides since his coronation.

You can bury your head in the sand all you want.

I bashed on W for his spending...I even said he was spending like drunken sailors but sailors have to use their own money...several times. So don't give me the "one side vs. the other" baby momma drama.

Even on a thread like this...look at it..."ooooooh, you're picking on ME!!!" all the way to a real video where you've got a couple on national TV with tshirts and signs looking bewildered at the fact that the Palestinian fringe isn't being represented. This is the party that Robert says the Jewish people align themselves with? Gimmie a break. See the forest for the trees. Who's blind on THAT?

If THAT'S not carrying water I don't know what else would be! Why defend a person or organization that doesn't value the person?

DrafterX
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13 years ago

#34

my puppy-dog ate some goose poop yesterday... 😟

DrMaddVibe
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13 years ago

#35

LOL!
(But you still need to dumb it down further)

rfenst wrote:

That's the DNC WAY!

Peggy Josephs...COME ON DOWN! You're the next contestant on the Hope and Change!

teedubbya
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13 years ago

#36

LOL Drafter. hope he doesn't get that giardia thing

ok DMV if you say so.... you are really out there today

my bigger issue is with the name of this thread.... why exactly is ram down your throat?

DrMaddVibe
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13 years ago

#37

Obama knew of the omission of God and Jerusalem from the platform before the convention

Two days into the Democratic National Convention, uproar has emerged as the Democratic Party platform was released. Among the controversial platform positions was the removal from previous years' platforms of "God," the removal of support for Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, the refusal to meet with Hamas, refusal of the right of return for Palestinian refugees to Israel.

When controversy ensued, the DNC was forced to backtrack -- at least on the topic of "God" and Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. In an embarrassing display, Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa was forced to hold three voice votes before finally deeming the two amendments regarding God and Jerusalem to be reinserted into the platform. See the video here.

CNN reported that the nays seemed to exceed the ayes regarding the amendments. Then Villaraigosa just declared the amendments passed - to boos and rancor. Shades of Mayor Daley and the 1968 Convention.

Pro-Obama "journalists" spun the story as if Barack Obama suddenly intervened and rode to the rescue and personally intervened to get the two amendments passed.

That part may be true.

But the bigger story is that he knew of the language in the platform before it was released and passed.

Reid Epstein reports in Politico:

Two platform planks sparked division at the Democratic National Convention here Wednesday.

Things got so bad that President Barack Obama was forced to personally intervene, ordering language mentioning God and naming Jerusalem as the rightful capital of Israel be added.

Obama had seen the language prior to the convention, a campaign source said, but did not seek to change it until after Republicans jumped on the omissions of God and Jerusalem late Wednesday. And even then, it had to be forced through a convention hall full of delegates who nearly shouted down the change.

It was only when blowback occurred that could hurt his political prospects that he stepped forward and inserted the language to assuage critics.

There is additional support for Epstein's reporting. Not only had previous reports indicated that the platform's original language was meant to conform to Obama's positions but the people on the drafting committee, and one in particular, have close ties to Barack Obama.
Read more:

Eliot Abrams writes in an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal (What is Israel's Capital? Democrats Have Trouble Saying):

Among the Democratic committee members this year were Newark Mayor Cory Booker, Massachusetts Rep. Barney Frank, former Florida Rep. Robert Wexler, Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick, and former Ohio Gov. Ted Strickland.

None of these people are strangers to Barack Obama and no doubt were quite aware of his priorities and policies - and agenda going forward.

But did one person in particular play a key role in the sections regarding Israel?

All signs point to Robert Wexler as being that person.

Since 2008 he has been a defender of Barack Obama when it comes to his treatment of Israel. He has served as Obama's emissary (or at least one of them) to the Jewish community. When he served in Congress he was involved in Israel-related legislation. After he left Congress (he chose not to run for reelection because he was caught having lied about his residency) he went to work for a "think tank" that focused on the Middle East: the Center for Middle East Peace and Economic Cooperation . This is an appeasement-oriented think tank funded by a billionaire donor to Democrats. I wrote about Wexler in 2009 that this sinecure could be perceived as a thank you for promoting Obama's campaign in 2008. His role in defending Obama even extended to the convention itself when he delivered a speech on this topic. He is not just promoting Obama for partisan reasons - his paycheck may depend on it.

So it can be presumed that Robert Wexler has been very much in contact with Barack Obama and his campaign and was very aware of how Obama wanted the platform drafted. Wexler helped draft that platform, was very aware of what Obama's agenda is and Obama was more than in the loop.

Wexler is one of the more disgraceful former members of Congress - and, when controversy erupted, he pointed the blame at a prominent pro-Israel group. He lost this blame game (see Jennifer Rubin's blog) when his story was found to have many holes in it.

Of course, this is just one of many examples of Barack Obama pushing a policy regarding Israel and then being forced to back track when his political fortunes compelled him to trim his sails.

In a second term, Obama will need to do no more trimming. He will have a great deal more flexibility.

UPDATE: The Washington Post published this column on the controversy that confirmed Wexler helped write the controversial section on Israel:

"The language in the platform is 100 percent pro-Israel language," said Robert Wexler, a former Democratic House member from Florida who now runs the S. Daniel Abraham Center for Middle East Peace in Washington.

Wexler, who acted as a liaison for Obama to a sometimes-suspicious Jewish community during the 2008 campaign, served on the platform-drafting committee and helped write the section on Israel.

So this is how Obama's emissary and spinner to the Jewish community defines 100 percent pro-Israel language? That says a lot about what Anderson Cooper might describe as the alternate universe people like Robert Wexler and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz live in - as does their President.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/09/obama_knew_of_the_omission_of_god_and_jerusalem_from_the_platform_before_the_convention.html#.UEidE1Oy3hE.twitter#ixzz25iRP7htg

TW...there's nothing being rammed down my throat the way this issue was rammed down theirs! NOTHING.

HockeyDad
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13 years ago

#38

An October attack on Iran would fix this.

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