Brewha
13 years ago
When an ordinary man gains knowledge, he is a sage; when a sage gains understanding, he is an ordinary man.
Abrignac
13 years ago

There really are some things that the average person's opinion should not matter on, or impact policy.

I've always believed an individual should be able to pass a basic algebra test prior to being allowed to vote on anything or breed.

Should probably require a basic science test before being allowed to vote on specific topics.

victor809 wrote:




How did I miss this one?


[sarcasm]












Great idea Vic. That would pretty much wipe out the dems.

Can't take a test if you are dead. There goes a third of their votes
Doubt anyone will past a science or algebra test if they haven't passed the 5th grade. Another third down.
Unable to breed if unable to add, that's not such a bad idea.
tailgater
13 years ago

Ok, where are you going with this? If it is demonstrated that ‘dino-juice’ (petroleum is understood to come from plant matter, not dinosaurs) is a major pollutant then it should be dealt with – and we have begun to do so. Anything that is a pollutant should be dealt with. What – don’t fix ‘dino-juice’ use until we find and fix everything?

Brewha wrote:



Actually, I think we should absolutely find ways to limit our dependency on oil.
We just shouldn't cloak our goals in alarmist politics.

jpotts
13 years ago
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released--chart-prove-it.html 


The world stopped getting warmer almost 16 years ago, according to new data released last week.

The figures, which have triggered debate among climate scientists, reveal that from the beginning of 1997 until August 2012, there was no discernible rise in aggregate global temperatures.

This means that the ‘plateau’ or ‘pause’ in global warming has now lasted for about the same time as the previous period when temperatures rose, 1980 to 1996. Before that, temperatures had been stable or declining for about 40 years.

The new data, compiled from more than 3,000 measuring points on land and sea, was issued quietly on the internet, without any media fanfare, and, until today, it has not been reported.


This stands in sharp contrast to the release of the previous figures six months ago, which went only to the end of 2010 – a very warm year.

Ending the data then means it is possible to show a slight warming trend since 1997, but 2011 and the first eight months of 2012 were much cooler, and thus this trend is erased.

Some climate scientists, such as Professor Phil Jones, director of the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, last week dismissed the significance of the plateau, saying that 15 or 16 years is too short a period from which to draw conclusions.

Others disagreed. Professor Judith Curry, who is the head of the climate science department at America’s prestigious Georgia Tech university, told The Mail on Sunday that it was clear that the computer models used to predict future warming were ‘deeply flawed’.

Even Prof Jones admitted that he and his colleagues did not understand the impact of ‘natural variability’ – factors such as long-term ocean temperature cycles and changes in the output of the sun. However, he said he was still convinced that the current decade would end up significantly warmer than the previous two.

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Here are three not-so trivial questions you probably won’t find in your next pub quiz. First, how much warmer has the world become since a) 1880 and b) the beginning of 1997? And what has this got to do with your ever-increasing energy bill?

You may find the answers to the first two surprising. Since 1880, when reliable temperature records began to be kept across most of the globe, the world has warmed by about 0.75 degrees Celsius.

From the start of 1997 until August 2012, however, figures released last week show the answer is zero: the trend, derived from the aggregate data collected from more than 3,000 worldwide measuring points, has been flat.







Keep spinning the "science" you're pushing, Victor.

As I've said before, the only thing that seperate you from one of those tribal members who dances around the fire when the shaman sings is the fact that the shaman you listen to wears a lab coat. The bone in the nose, well, nowadays that;s pretty common in the scientific community...
victor809
13 years ago


Keep spinning the "science" you're pushing, Victor.

As I've said before, the only thing that seperate you from one of those tribal members who dances around the fire when the shaman sings is the fact that the shaman you listen to wears a lab coat. The bone in the nose, well, nowadays that;s pretty common in the scientific community...

jpotts wrote:



Potts... next time you decide to crawl out of your cave and post, please do me the courtesy of reading and understanding the thread before jumping in.

I want to emphasize understanding.

Really want to emphasize it.

Just because the thread title has the words "Climate Change" in it, does not mean it's time for you to jump up and down with some silly article you pulled out of your copious behind.

Thread's about people's perceptions and how they are deciding what to believe.
DrafterX
13 years ago


Thread's about people's perceptions and how they are deciding what to believe.

victor809 wrote:




Maybe the climate guys should just get the muppets to push their agenda... everyone will think it's cool to be paranoid in less than twnety years.... 😟
victor809
13 years ago

Great idea Vic. That would pretty much wipe out the dems.

Can't take a test if you are dead. There goes a third of their votes
Doubt anyone will past a science or algebra test if they haven't passed the 5th grade. Another third down.
Unable to breed if unable to add, that's not such a bad idea.

Abrignac wrote:



Read above. this has already been discussed.

Kind of ironic that you'd jump on that late to the party, and after I already described how it's incorrect. We can actually pull up data on that if you'd like... or you can just sit in your own fantasy land where all republicans exist, are smart and well educated and all democrats are either false id's or high school dropouts. Your choice, but I expect you to be able to understand basic math and statistics if you're going to have this discussion with me.

I don't think I can handle the irony of having to discuss the average educational level of the political parties with someone who can't understand high school math again. It really might cause my brain to explode.
HockeyDad
13 years ago

Maybe the climate guys should just get the muppets to push their agenda... everyone will think it's cool to be paranoid in less than twnety years.... 😟

DrafterX wrote:




Like this?

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/834e452cf0/chappelle-show-kneehigh-park-from-thaffner 
victor809
13 years ago

We're past rational here.
Algore made this a political issue, and no longer are scientists allowed to consider or god-forbid publish any data contrary to popular belief without being considered a quack.

tailgater wrote:



That's unfortunately too easy a crutch. I agree that science and politics should NEVER get mixed up, because it allows bad scientists to then use politics as a reason for why no one believes them. The problem is, it now becomes a challenge to tease the bad science from the good. Do you have any actual evidence that GOOD scientists have been kept from doing research which would suggest there's no impact from our activities? I've never heard anything actually credible (beyond the equivalent of a child whining that they're getting bad grades because the teacher doesn't like them...)


You yourself are suggesting that we have proof. Well, we don't. We have theories and many of those were formulated AFTER we were told what to find.


Theories are almost ALWAYS formulated with the idea that you're looking for something specific. IE, "It makes sense in my mind that this is how the world works. What experiments can I design to either prove "yes" or "no"?" This is the basics of science. A well designed experiment will provide evidence either way that the prediction is true.


Here are the facts:
1. Climate is changing
2. Man lives on earth.


Incorrect, there are additional facts (some of which you post below (ie, concrete retains more or less heat than foliage etc... there's a million little facts. What they all mean when put together is always a work in progress, but there are definitely small parts of the whole that can be teased out.


Now, a reasonable person would consider the possibility that man has an impact because of how we live.
But it's become impossible to separate the politically motivated results from the real truth when we try to determine whether our contribution to global warming begins and ends with dino-juice. Or if our concrete jungles retain too much heat over night. Or if our deforestation and massive bovine communities have an impact. Or if the ozone layer is affected by tens of thousands of satellites blasting through. Or if we simply did too much damage with our nuclear testing or our age of CFC laden spray cans.


soooo...since we can't tease out what stupid politicians are doing vs what may be actual science we should just not believe in any of the science? I'd rather believe the science until later science proves it wrong. That's the great thing about the scientific method, false information can't hide forever.
HockeyDad
13 years ago


soooo...since we can't tease out what stupid politicians are doing vs what may be actual science we should just not believe in any of the science? I'd rather believe the science until later science proves it wrong. That's the great thing about the scientific method, false information can't hide forever.

victor809 wrote:




I heard the world stopped getting warmer almost 16 years ago.
DrafterX
13 years ago

I heard the world stopped getting warmer almost 16 years ago.

HockeyDad wrote:




Is that when the name 'Global Warming' got changed to 'Climate Change'..?? 😕
HockeyDad
13 years ago
I think the name changed when the "global warming" junk science got exposed.
bloody spaniard
13 years ago
I'm still waiting for the ice age that was promised to me in the 1970's!! What a gyp. 🤬
DrafterX
13 years ago
and where are all the africanized killer bees we were suppose to get killed by..?? 😕
bloody spaniard
13 years ago

and where are all the africanized killer bees we were suppose to get killed by..?? 😕

DrafterX wrote:




YEAH! That too! I bought a bonnet and everything!🤬 🤬
HockeyDad
13 years ago
The African-American honey bee was a rouse to scare white people.
bloody spaniard
13 years ago
Don't forget the comet/asteroid that was supposed to turn the earth orbit upside down this year.

All I'm saying is the Mayan calendar better NOT let me down this December (21?) or there's going to be hell to pay.
DrMaddVibe
13 years ago

I'm still waiting for the ice age that was promised to me in the 1970's!! What a gyp. 🤬

bloody spaniard wrote:




Get in line!


I'm still waiting for the flying car!!!!

FROM GM!!!
bloody spaniard
13 years ago

Get in line!
I'm still waiting for the flying car!!!!
FROM GM!!!

DrMaddVibe wrote:





What?! You didn't get yours???
Oops, I said too much...
Abrignac
13 years ago

Read above. this has already been discussed.

Kind of ironic that you'd jump on that late to the party, and after I already described how it's incorrect. We can actually pull up data on that if you'd like... or you can just sit in your own fantasy land where all republicans exist, are smart and well educated and all democrats are either false id's or high school dropouts. Your choice, but I expect you to be able to understand basic math and statistics if you're going to have this discussion with me.

I don't think I can handle the irony of having to discuss the average educational level of the political parties with someone who can't understand high school math again. It really might cause my brain to explode.

victor809 wrote:




Obviously you missed the sarcasm in my answer.

But, moving onward. I'm neither a Republican or a Democrat. Since registering to vote some 20 years ago, I've been an Independant. Having worked as a contractor on Capital Hil, though only for about 8-9 months, I learned one thing. Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats give a crap about me, my family, friends, neighbors, co-workers, etc... They are simply interested in a obtaining a controlling interest. Then the party in the minority blames the majority for all that has gone wrong so the pendulum swings back their way. Lather, rinse, repeat. All while holding out their hand to be filled by the highest bidder.

Perhaps it's cynical, but it is what it is.

Moving forward, I have little faith in our elected federal officials and the bureaucrats who implement their policies. Truth be told, I think government should play a very limited role in our lives. They should make policy based on the the narrowly defined limits afforded them in the Constitution, and excuse themselves from those areas that which they entered uninvited, but seek to control.

As far as your brain exploding....
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