teedubbya
13 years ago
This actually thinking into things stuff and claiming things are not black and white is over rated.

Fence sitters SUCK!
bloody spaniard
13 years ago

If it can not fit into a 15 second sound bite or into a sentance or two in a discount cigar forum it is likely the wrong solution.

teedubbya wrote:



Hmmmm, couldn't you have squeezed a little more derisive condescension in there? Yes, I think you COULD! I have faith in you.


Yes but you forget the Great Lawyer Shortage of 1963.

HockeyDad wrote:



Little warrants were abandoned on doorsteps & subpoenas were whipped out & mishandled.😞
DrMaddVibe
13 years ago

Yes but you forget the Great Lawyer Shortage of 1963.

HockeyDad wrote:




Ahhh, yes...the ol' Storm of '63....almost pales in comparison to the Merger & Acquisitions of 1995!
HockeyDad
13 years ago

Ahhh, yes...the ol' Storm of '63....almost pales in comparison to the Merger & Acquisitions of 1995!

DrMaddVibe wrote:




It was an awful time.....people standing in lines for hours just to speak to a lawyer and get a cup of coffee. Some towns completely ran out of lawyers. People had no choice but to pack up and move out West. Rumor has it that in some of those old ghost towns on really quiet nights, you can still hear ghosts crying out...."I need a lawyer, quick!"
teedubbya
13 years ago

Hmmmm, couldn't you have squeezed a little more derisive condescension in there? Yes, I think you COULD! I have faith in you.


😞

bloody spaniard wrote:



of course I can but I like to keep you wanting a lil bit more
victor809
13 years ago

of course I can but I like to keep you wanting a lil bit more

teedubbya wrote:



I hear that's always been your philosophy with the womens too... 🙂
teedubbya
13 years ago

I hear that's always been your philosophy with the womens too... 🙂

victor809 wrote:



of course. once they get a little vitamin T they always want some more
victor809
13 years ago

of course. once they get a little vitamin T they always want some more

teedubbya wrote:



.... the sad part is you can only give them a little vitamin t, eh? 🙂
teedubbya
13 years ago

.... the sad part is you can only give them a little vitamin t, eh? :)

victor809 wrote:



only a little at a time. I don't want them to get hurt
teedubbya
13 years ago
all right. I admit. I'm Irish and the curse is true.
Russiancrusher
13 years ago

Shiny! Embrace the future - vote for Rombie! 'Joss', by the way.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I voted Perot on an absentee ballot (early) in '92. Shortly after I mailed my ballot, he started in with the public paranoia about the RNC conspiracy to get to him through his daughter's wedding (or some such silliness.) I thought for years that I'd have voted differently had I waited for election day. Now, I'm glad I helped push the 'legitimacy' of a third party to 19% - And, I am convinced he'd have been a better president than Clinton was and better than GHWB II would have been. Loved Stockdale on the debate stage.

dstieger wrote:





Joss, I know. It was a typo.

Great you tube video.
rfenst
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13 years ago


Why are good judges/justices... "hard to come by"? We have an inexhaustible supply.

bloody spaniard wrote:



Because even being a great lawyer doesn't mean one will be a decent judge- two totally different skill sets and aptitudes.

Good Justices are even harder to come by. They usually first serve quite a bit of time until appointed up from a trial court to an appellate court, where they usually serve for a while and refine their appellate court skills.

State supreme court justices are usually "the cream of the crop" from the already serving appellate court justices. By this point, we are down to far less than 1% of the judges and lower court justices.

itsawaldo
13 years ago

Robert don't forget. "VOTE EARLY and Often !"

jackconrad wrote:




I was raised in Cook County IL and that was the mantra that was thrown around every election cycle.

Early voted Monday, they insisted I show my ID, not my voter ID card. I said I thought US Government decided that was illegal, if I am here and want to vote I should be able to.
She flashed some sign at me with a picture of Uncle Sam on it with the statute saying to early vote you must show ID.
I told her she was screwing up my plans to vote "early and often!".
She almost refused me my ballot except for the round of laughter from folks around me saved my azz.

Im going back Tuesday and try again..... in Illinois you need to vote the other party twice at least to overcome the machine.
critter2
13 years ago

Although Justices Barbara Pariente, R. Fred Lewis, and Peggy Quince are insisting that voters should ignore their rulings when they head to the polls, and consider only whether these jurists have ever committed a crime, their critics and other legal scholars say otherwise -- i.e., that it is absolutely relevant to their retention that voters consider whether these justices are interpreting relevant law according to its original public meaning, or whether they are left-wing activists who ignore the law and impose their own personal moral philosophy on cases that come before them.

Below is the whole story from Sunshine News:

http://www.sunshinestatenews.com/story/three-justices-inventing-elements-crime-or-doing-best-legislative-screw-up?utm_source=constantcontact&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=110112 

rfenst
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13 years ago

I was raised in Cook County IL and that was the mantra that was thrown around every election cycle.

Early voted Monday, they insisted I show my ID, not my voter ID card. I said I thought US Government decided that was illegal, if I am here and want to vote I should be able to.
She flashed some sign at me with a picture of Uncle Sam on it with the statute saying to early vote you must show ID.
I told her she was screwing up my plans to vote "early and often!".
She almost refused me my ballot except for the round of laughter from folks around me saved my azz.

Im going back Tuesday and try again..... in Illinois you need to vote the other party twice at least to overcome the machine.

itsawaldo wrote:



Ever talk about a bomb while in line to get on a plane?
DrMaddVibe
13 years ago

Although Justices Barbara Pariente, R. Fred Lewis, and Peggy Quince are insisting that voters should ignore their rulings when they head to the polls, and consider only whether these jurists have ever committed a crime, their critics and other legal scholars say otherwise -- i.e., that it is absolutely relevant to their retention that voters consider whether these justices are interpreting relevant law according to its original public meaning, or whether they are left-wing activists who ignore the law and impose their own personal moral philosophy on cases that come before them.

Below is the whole story from Sunshine News:

http://www.sunshinestatenews.com/story/three-justices-inventing-elements-crime-or-doing-best-legislative-screw-up?utm_source=constantcontact&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=110112 

critter2 wrote:




Awesome article.

Shows EXACTLY why I'm willing to toss those 3 on the deadweight pile!

Disgusting "interpreters" that "think" they know not only the intent but the letter of the Law. Little legal wrangling looking for some loophole that's not specified yet changes they way a law has been handled for decades...all of a sudden...they KNOW better? They can go to hell! They're what's WRONG with America today.
rfenst
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13 years ago

Although Justices Barbara Pariente, R. Fred Lewis, and Peggy Quince are insisting that voters should ignore their rulings when they head to the polls, and consider only whether these jurists have ever committed a crime, their critics and other legal scholars say otherwise -- i.e., that it is absolutely relevant to their retention that voters consider whether these justices are interpreting relevant law according to its original public meaning, or whether they are left-wing activists who ignore the law and impose their own personal moral philosophy on cases that come before them.

Below is the whole story from Sunshine News:

http://www.sunshinestatenews.com/story/three-justices-inventing-elements-crime-or-doing-best-legislative-screw-up?utm_source=constantcontact&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=110112 

critter2 wrote:



In the 70's, three Justices were accused of taking bribes. Needless to say, that led to outrage. In response, merit retention was put in place to provide an avenue for "bad" justices to be removed for "bad" conduct. While you certainly can use your merit retention vote any way you want, even including ridding the Court of a justice you oppose merely on political or philosophical grounds, that is not what was intended (for those who love original intent arguments).

My personal concern here is that if these justices are voted out (which they probably will be), the Court will, from election day forward, be influences by the political process as opposed to the constitutionality of law. We might as well put them up for sale like the three from the 70's were accused of. This move is nothing more than a partisan power grab to gain control of the courts.



(P.S. The news source you cited describes its own agenda and plainly states on its websites that its articles promote the editors' philosophies. Fair and balanced it is not.)
HockeyDad
13 years ago

Because even being a great lawyer doesn't mean one will be a decent judge- two totally different skill sets and aptitudes.

Good Justices are even harder to come by. They usually first serve quite a bit of time until appointed up from a trial court to an appellate court, where they usually serve for a while and refine their appellate court skills.

State supreme court justices are usually "the cream of the crop" from the already serving appellate court justices. By this point, we are down to far less than 1% of the judges and lower court justices.

rfenst wrote:




I'm sure there are plenty of good appellate court justices just waiting in the wings for their "big break"!
rfenst
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13 years ago

I'm sure there are plenty of good appellate court justices just waiting in the wings for their "big break"!

HockeyDad wrote:



You would think, but that isn't the case. Waiting for that big break doesn't translate to being qualified.
HockeyDad
13 years ago

You would think, but that isn't the case. Waiting for that big break doesn't translate to being qualified.

rfenst wrote:




SO you're saying every appellate court judge in Florida is incompetent???? Good thing I voted some of them out too!
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