Poll Question: Sandy: Is she good for the economy?
8trackdisco
13 years ago
What do you think?
rfenst
13 years ago

What do you think?

8trackdisco wrote:



I haven't thought about that yet. This could be the worst damage caused by a storm in U.S. history. The human tragedy is what is on my mind right now. Next in my mind is how many of the affected people's votes might not get cast by Tuesday. I will research and ponder the macro-economics of this after Tuesday night...
8trackdisco
13 years ago

I haven't thought about that yet. This could be the worst damage caused by a storm in U.S. history. The human tragedy is what is on my mind right now. Next in my mind is how many of the affected people's votes might not get cast by Tuesday. I will research and ponder the macro-economics of this after Tuesday night...

rfenst wrote:



Voting isn't going to be affected. NY & NJ were both going to Obama without question. Saw tonight on the news that a blue collar neighborhood in Staten Island residents are complaining the rich are getting taken care of first. They stopped short of blaming Obama.

victor809
13 years ago
We were just discussing the massive amount of work that will be required to get NYCs infrastructure operational again. There is going to be a government contractor out there making butt-loads of money. Some small workers may get some too.... (trickled on, so to speak)
ZRX1200
13 years ago
Depends on how much is insurance pay out and how much $ the gov't prints.
itsawaldo
13 years ago
Has anyone heard of the vast amount of jobs after Joplin got wiped out? Irene, Katrina?
My brother sells hvac steel, biz is not booming after any of these events, he is still waiting for the business bump.
I dont forsee a lot of wealth being spread around.
Prayers to all that have lost friends and family and all that they have.
rfenst
13 years ago

Voting isn't going to be affected. NY & NJ were both going to Obama without question. Saw tonight on the news that a blue collar neighborhood in Staten Island residents are complaining the rich are getting taken care of first. They stopped short of blaming Obama.

8trackdisco wrote:



Saw the same thing. There is only so much anyone can do when there is a disaster of such great proportion. Blame is on the storm, not Obama. Just like New Orleans where Bush didn't deserve blame.

As to voting, I am looking at it from a different perspective: I was literally too sick to vote in 2000. Had you carried me to the poll, I was incapable of filling in a ballot. I felt absolutely terrible about not having been able to exercise my patriotic right to vote- something I truly will never be able to forget. It had noting to do with my candidate winning or losing- just that i didn't get to stand at the voting booth, something i truly look forward to at every election.

My perspective is that many, many people simply will not be able to vote- not which way their states go.



8trackdisco
13 years ago

Depends on how much is insurance pay out and how much $ the gov't prints.

ZRX1200 wrote:



Insurance companies are paying, that is for sure. A company I have knowledge of is on the hook for at least 10 million and 1,000 claims 75% home, the rest auto.

Insurance companies will get some deserved and undeserved bad press. Many of the people that lost their homes didn't opt for flood insurance. Those same people won't likely take accountability for that decision, they'll just lash out at Big Bad Insurance Companies.

The other thing many people chose to do when they bought their policies was choose a different deductible for hurricane than the standard policy deductible.

Example; $300,000 policy, with a standard $1,000 deductible for the run of the mill fire, tree damage etc. Instead of choosing that same $1,000 deductible on hurricane (which is pricey), they choose a 15% deductible. Which means now that they have to come up with $45,000 out of their pocket before insurance begins to pay.

That is a tough financial nut for most people to crack.

Some cut rate insurance companies wrote a bunch of business close to the Atlantic shore with a relatively cheap rate, never thinking they'd have to pay for The Big One..... whoops. Don't be surprised if a couple of insurance companies follow the now typical big business plan.

Well, we can't afford to pay all these claims! We'll go under!! WE NEED A BAILOUT!!!

Line up, taxpayers.
bloody spaniard
13 years ago
The economy was already on the ground. Sandy just gave it a good hearty Hollywood action style kick to the ribs- not debilitating but a wee painful.

Sandy's irrelevant except to Obama who needs all the help he can get looking "presidential" and will get a short bump & to Christy who is a jackass for helping him. For once I admire the little whiny NY governor for saying no to Hussein's photo op which would have tied up manpower and other resources unnecessarily IMO.

I didn't vote because I didn't see the option: "anemic business continues as usual".
rfenst
13 years ago

The economy was already on the ground. Sandy just gave it a good hearty Hollywood action style kick to the ribs- not debilitating but a wee painful.

Sandy's irrelevant except to Obama who needs all the help he can get looking "presidential" and will get a short bump & to Christy who is a jackass for helping him. For once I admire the little whiny NY governor for saying no to Hussein's photo op which would have tied up manpower and other resources unnecessarily IMO.

I didn't vote because I didn't see the option: "anemic business continues as usual".

bloody spaniard wrote:



Funny. Christie's praise of Obama, accurate or not, showed him crossing party lines on behalf of his state. His political capital sure got a bump from me.
bloody spaniard
13 years ago
His image as a call it as he sees it maverick gets a black eye from me & others who now see him as just another pandering politician.
Idiot would have gotten the help from FEMA regardless.
ZRX1200
13 years ago
This may be a long term investment for Christie.

Rfenter your feeling I think were the goal for constituants in the mushy middle for him.

Gov't doesn't create money so unless the insurance $ is greater than the damage this will be a net loss. Oh course contracters and others who grease palms will benefit.
8trackdisco
13 years ago

For once I admire the little whiny NY governor for saying no to Hussein's photo op which would have tied up manpower and other resources unnecessarily

bloody spaniard wrote:



Sure. But then he decides to dump all of those same resources into running a marathon. Am sure having cops standing in every intersection for 26 miles won't take anything away from the recovery effort.

Just like starting a war with Iraq did n't take anything away from the effort in Afganistan.




...................................................................................................................................................................... morons.
rfenst
13 years ago
The concept of even thinking of holding a marathon makes me want to puke. People have been killed and may be dying. There's looting, insufficient food, shelter and clothing. Sick and injured can't get medical care. Yeah, the marathon must go on!!!
jackconrad
13 years ago
It will make many jobs and we always rebuild better.
rfenst
13 years ago
Here's what The Economist said in part about Hurricane Katrina

"History suggests that the hurricane will have little effect on the national economy. Despite all the pictures of sinking hotels and flooded convention centres, the overall impact of natural disasters is often close to neutral: lost output (which will be large) is then compensated for by a surge in reconstruction and public spending (also large). That may be scant comfort to individual hoteliers, residents and insurers, but on a national level the economic damage will be real but limited."

http://www.economist.com/node/4343279 

I believe the impact from Sandy will be greater than from Katrina due to New York's and New Jersey's greater population and population densities as well as New York being the financial epicenter of the U.S. and the world.
jackconrad
13 years ago
I was in New Orleans this year and it was a hundred times nicer than befoe Katrina,,
Stinkdyr
13 years ago
The answer is it is a mix of Yes and No.

Not sure what the NET result is.

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bloody spaniard
13 years ago
The marathon folks have brought in a couple of generators that could have given power to over 800 homes and the lapdog media has done same.🤬
snowwolf777
13 years ago
They're blocking off streets in a city where people are being told to car pool due to grid lock. They're using police and city labor to set up the marathon route. Bringing in food trucks and setting up water stations for runners and spectators. Kicking people who are homeless out of hotels because people have the rooms reserved for the Marathon. Makes New Orleans Katrina mayor look smart by comparison. 🤔

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