ZRX1200
13 years ago
If only we had a war on wealth like we do drugs......
pdxstogieman
13 years ago

Ok fellas, other than CW no one has given me his side of the story. There have been little snippits here and there but mostly just cutesy one liners, and trying to belittle me for even asking such a question. Would seem your ideology has blinded many of you. The difference in ideas on how our government should function between the two sides is monstrous. The simple fact that the folks on the left want to take money from people they deem to rich and give it to those who are not is the basic premise of communism. The fact as stated above that we have had some forty or fifty years of taking from other people, in the form of taxation, and trying to eliminate poverty has shown that it will not work. We have more poor now than ever before, billions of dollars later. The plan was never to eliminate poverty, but to create a dependant society that eventually would never vote to bite the hand that feeds them. If in fact it were the later poverty would have been gone years ago. The government has proven many times over that it is incapable of running anything efficiently and you seem to want them running more and more of our lives. There are many flaws on both sides but I will still stand with the ones who want to live free from government intervention into our lives, let us work for our money and keep it, and educate our children with money actually going to educate them rather than the unions trying to figure out how to put more teachers on the payroll. Many of you have done nothing more than state how you despise my kind of thinking, but have failed to state why you think your ideas are better and how they will make all our lives as americans better in the future. I can only conclude that it is more a hate for the right than it is a belief that what you have to offer is better. I am an old duffer and what is coming down the pipe will not effect me so much, but I have children and grandchildren who will be overwhelmed by all this and I fear for them. My hope is that many of you will put the future of our country ahead of ideology, put our selfishness aside and consider do we really want go down this socialistic path. Eventually we will run out of other peoples money.

leftyposthole wrote:



It started with those effing Canadians. Look at how bad their crappy communist country is doing.
Gene363
13 years ago

Real Americans use periods and paragraphs. [horse]

Gene363 wrote:



IBID

Homebrew
13 years ago

Quick question - can someone show me the math formula for "fair share?"

What the President decides is MY fair share? What Obamaphone Lady thinks is my "fair share". Never seen the "fair share" thing quantified.




snowwolf777 wrote:


Here is Therefore, they should make up the tax burden, that was formerly paid, by the middle class.my take on the fair share, of the rich.
I believe the rich should pay much higher taxes, than they do today, and here is the rational for this belief. For many years, the majority of taxes, collectedin the US, were paid by the middle class. Not neccessarily as a percentage of their income, but as a percentage of the gross reciepts of the IRS. This has gradually decreased, due to outsourcing the jobs, of the middle class. During the same period, the income of the surviving middle class, has stagnated, while the income of the top 1%, has exploded. Many of the 1% have had a massive increase in wealth due to the outsourcing of the jobs, of the middle class. I will have to do some research, and crunch some numbers, to come up with an actual percentage that they should be taxed, to make up the difference, but I imagine, that the percentage, would make them scream bloody murder.

Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
P.S. I would go into greater detail, but I am typing this using a slow as hell wifi, and I hate this keyboard.
rfenst
13 years ago

I feel the 💓

bloody spaniard wrote:



It's there. But it's evolving....

BTW, I walked away from a full scholarships to Harvard and The London School of Economics and and then refused a Rhodes Scholarship too.

Education like that would have ruined my inner soul.
ZRX1200
13 years ago
I walked away from a homeless guy selling a joint 15 years ago.....
teedubbya
13 years ago
And I'm still pissed about that Z
leftyposthole
13 years ago
Still, I get no viable answers as to why that path is going to be so much better, only rhetoric. Why can't you good fellas articulate what is good about it. Is it a secret. The circles that I run in happen to have very few people on the left, so I would love to understand the thought process. Why is it so hard to believe this is just an honest question.
DrafterX
13 years ago
you have to put 'honest' or 'serious question' in the topic.... 😟
victor809
13 years ago

Still, I get no viable answers as to why that path is going to be so much better, only rhetoric. Why can't you good fellas articulate what is good about it. Is it a secret. The circles that I run in happen to have very few people on the left, so I would love to understand the thought process. Why is it so hard to believe this is just an honest question.

leftyposthole wrote:




Perhaps you need to consider that your question is stupid?

"Since this form of governmant has never worked anyplace else why do you think it will work here?"

You're implying in the question that anyone who voted for Obama (a legitimate presidential candidate in our republic) is trying to change the form of government (I'll assume you mean from a Republic?).

Your question is absolutely meaningless.

Follow a meaningless, stupid question (which ironically requested no name calling) up with multiple insults ("they aren't celebrating vetrans day"; "no legitimate answers") and we can only assume that you don't even understand your own question.

Why would anyone bother answering that kind of question?
dpnewell
13 years ago
Dave,
A few here did come back with honest answers. I may not understand their rational, but I do believe that they are sincere, and believe they where doing the right thing for this nation. Of course some others used the typical liberal tactic of deflect, discredit, and name calling. Of course when that fails to subdue, they resort to the old standard of blaming Bush.

My observation is that many (not all, but many) liberals react on feelings. I've asked dozens of friends and colleagues why they voted for the President, and most told me that it just felt like the right thing to do. That's not a criticism, but an observation. I'm starting to believe that liberals and conservatives are just wired differently. Probably the reason we each think the other are idiots.
dpnewell
13 years ago
Speaking of "disflect, discredit and name calling", Victor weights in. Never fails to disappoint.
leftyposthole
13 years ago
Victor, I won't pretend to know you, I have seen some of your posts here. The fact that you call my question stupid is curious. The fact that no one seems to want to articulate their side even more so. No legitimate answers should not have been an insult. Just a statement of fact to this point. I do find it interesting those on the left will not even entertain the thought that socialism is the direction this administration is taking us. This thread along with a couple others have been ongoing for several days and yet the folks on the left have yet to state why in their heart they think the way they do. The fact that you state my question is meaningless without actually responding to my question allows one to conclude a few things. That you do not know why you think the way you do or you cannot articulate it or you just hate us and that is sufficiant enough. I really did not think it would be this difficult to get a serious answer.
victor809
13 years ago

Speaking of "disflect, discredit and name calling", Victor weights in. Never fails to disappoint.

dpnewell wrote:



Did you bother reading my statement?
The question was leading, not an honest question at all. To couch that in the rhetoric of "no insults" and then follow up with insults either is stupid, or is assuming the audience is stupid. I went with the former.
fishinguitarman
13 years ago
Obummer sux donkey balls....
ZRX1200
13 years ago
Well you did chime in.......just saying.




I think a major difference is the moral standing one has on spending someone elses money taken at the end of a gun. Plenty of contrarian views in both parties (lefties being pro abortion and anti death penalty) vs (righties being anti-abortion but mostly pro death penalty).


Free association has all but disappeared and took property rights with it.

victor809
13 years ago

Victor, I won't pretend to know you, I have seen some of your posts here. The fact that you call my question stupid is curious.

leftyposthole wrote:



How is that curious? If I asked you "what was your rationale for killing my grandmother?" What would your answer be? You didn't ask an honest question, yet you want an honest answer.

Here's your honest answer:
No one at all who voted in the election has changed the form of our Republic in any way shape or form

Since no one did that, no one can answer your question.


I do find it interesting those on the left will not even entertain the thought that socialism is the direction this administration is taking us. This thread along with a couple others have been ongoing for several days and yet the folks on the left have yet to state why in their heart they think the way they do.


Socialism is an economic policy not a form of government and has nothing to do with your question.


The fact that you state my question is meaningless without actually responding to my question allows one to conclude a few things. That you do not know why you think the way you do or you cannot articulate it or you just hate us and that is sufficiant enough. I really did not think it would be this difficult to get a serious answer.


....or it could be that your question was stupid and hyperbolic.
Lets see, you posed a question that first mistook an economic policy for a form of government, and then accused everyone who voted in a legitimate government election for trying to support an overthrow to a type of government which doesn't exist.... hyperbole, check... stupid, check.



victor809
13 years ago
Even cuter is that you waited an ENTIRE HOUR for an answer before deciding "guess there's no legitimate answers!"

And then you waited a total of THREE WHOLE HOURS (on a weekend) before chiming in with "I'm almost certain that none of them are celebrating veterans day"

Yeah... you were definitely trying to get an honest answer....
jackconrad
13 years ago

WGAF about some scholarship you had a chance for, but never got? What the hell does whether I will ever "evolve and get anywhere" (whatever that means) have anything to do with any of this? Don't answer. Just fix your own demons instead of those you project on me, loser.

rfenst wrote:

YOU THINK EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT YOU ??


CARLY SIMON HAD A SONG ABOUT THAT.

Chill brudder your a good guy and we know it
teedubbya
13 years ago
Libs hate veterans
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