jackconrad
13 years ago
In America we vote with a Team Mentality, Its time to change that and go with true intelligence and Comon sense. The Left Wingers are not happy working witin the current system , They hav a HUMONGOUS CHIP on their shoulder and want to change the form of government to that of something resembling a Socialist Republic. There 2 Parities have become slaves to Extremis Attitudes. This is what the REAL Problem is. Nothing piisss me off more than people lableing the way i believe based on th party i belong to.

This arguing back and forth distracts us from solving the Real problems and it shows. The parties are really only trying to eliminate each other anymore and that is their real if secret Platforms.

It really is time to think out of the box about what we should do to get these parties to return to the Peoples business and i think NOT re-electing any incumbents is the only real way t do it. That would put a chill down the Spines of all these DC Self Preservasionist once and for all and make it clear to the Government that WHAT WE WANT IS ACTION NOT BICKERING..
rfenst
13 years ago

In America we vote with a Team Mentality, Its time to change that and go with true intelligence and Comon sense. The Left Wingers are not happy working witin the current system , They hav a HUMONGOUS CHIP on their shoulder and want to change the form of government to that of something resembling a Socialist Republic. There 2 Parities have become slaves to Extremis Attitudes. This is what the REAL Problem is. Nothing piisss me off more than people lableing the way i believe based on th party i belong to.

This arguing back and forth distracts us from solving the Real problems and it shows. The parties are really only trying to eliminate each other anymore and that is their real if secret Platforms.

It really is time to think out of the box about what we should do to get these parties to return to the Peoples business and i think NOT re-electing any incumbents is the only real way t do it. That would put a chill down the Spines of all these DC Self Preservasionist once and for all and make it clear to the Government that WHAT WE WANT IS ACTION NOT BICKERING..

jackconrad wrote:



Our entire society is divided and "bickering" is too polite of a word for it. That, more than anything else, is the real problem. Changing the players won't make any difference and isn't going to be a panacea. There must be some form of continuity and an allowance for enough time on the job to develop expertise and put it to work. in the meantime, we will keep "chugging along" until something vitally important re-unites us.
jackconrad
13 years ago
The only Expertise we develop is how to fall back into the same bad habits and to worship the same RoyaltY . iN THE 80S I HAD AN CHANCE FOR A FULL SCHLOLARSHIP TO DICKINSON and walked away from it rather that pledge allegiance to the same tired and vain society who control the feild of Law. I do not regret it for it is the same mentality that guarantees you will never evolve and get anywhere.

If all the incumbents' were voted out i think the newly elected Government would see the handwriting on the wall and know that the Publics' business is the only reason they are there eventually the power Mongers would not be intrerested in running anymore if what they seek is not there..
tailgater
13 years ago
cwilhelmi

My comments are in red. I see things differently, although now it's too late.
Much too late.


A few reasons why I'm voting for Obama.

1- there will likely be 2 supreme court seats swapping out. Romney feels that corporations are people and it is clear that citizens united is turning our elections into a money game, not a test of who will support their constituents. Not to mention all of the other critical items that come before the great court.

OK. I guess if you're left leaning or a Democrat that you'd rather have a Democrat in office when positions Justice positions are filled. That's fair.

2- I am not looking, for nor do I need, free ****. However, I know that there are people who are much less fortunate than me and need some help, a hell of a lot more than the ultra-rich need tax breaks. I make good money and I'm willing to pay my fair share.

But what is a "fair share"? Forget boosting income tax rates, because the uber-wealthy get breaks through their loop holes, which Romney proposed to close. But further to your point, we've got 40 years of welfare statistics to prove the "free ****" doesn't help prevent entire generations from growing increasingly dependent.
Wouldn't it be FAR superior to grow the economy (such as with Romney's tax plan) and actually put the entitlement crowd back to work?


3- Religion has no part in my life and by design it is not supposed to have a part in our government. I will not vote for someone who will push a hardline agenda. In MA Romney stayed away from these, however he is now alluding to yet another flip-flop.

Saying that Romney would push a religious agenda is like calling Obama a Muslim. Romney has NEVER shown a propensity to use his Mormon values outside his own church and family. Be it as a corporate leader, or in his role as Governor in Massachusetts.

4- I'm not blinded by ideology to see the good things obama has done and tried to do for this country. However, I also see where he has not done many of the things I expected, I hope that will change in his second term.

So in #3, you expect (or fear) that Romney will do things that he never mentioned, but now you hope Obama will do things that he utterly failed and/or lied about in his first campaign? That's partisan thinking, don't you think?

5- Our country (and several others) has become a plutocracy, the rich rule and they are getting richer and stronger. The wealth inequality is staggering and corporate profits are at an all time high, while at the same time we have nearly 30% of our country at or below the poverty line and the GOP still wants to take more. Electing Romney will certainly make this worse. (The economist just had several articles after I wrote this that do a great job at disecting inequality, this is seen as a huge risk for america by foreign governments.)

The inequality will only grow worse unless we give the poor the ability to care for themselves. Taking money from the rich and giving it to the poor has never worked, as I assume you know. And when you say the "GOP want to take more", what do you mean? Striving to achieve a "fair share" will never work. Ever. Take 75% of Bill Gates money and he's still richer than the poor who receive it. Isn't it a better plan to stimulate private sector jobs by stopping the madness of class warfare and labeling business owners as the bad guy?

6- Women have worked hard to gain their rights and the rights to control what happens with their bodies. The GOP wants to eradicate these gains and push women down.

Poppycock. This has been discussed.

7 - I believe in equality for all, with no exceptions based upon race, religion, gender, etc. It took Obama a while to grow a pair and stand up for gay rights and marriage equality, but he finally did.

$16 Trillion in debt and the president is expected to act on social issues that are being addressed at the state level already?

8- We hardly manufacture anything and Romney is proven to ship more jobs overseas as opposed to employing Americans and helping our economy.

Romney DID take advantage of how the system is currently designed. But he also promised to change the system rather than blame the corporations who did what they had to do in order to stay competitive.

9- Healthcare and education should not be limited to the rich, these are foundational pieces of a healthy society. They should be widely available and protected to create a healthy and informed nation that will be competitive in the global market. These should not be profit centers either.



So we should put 1/6th of our economy into the hands of that highly efficient organism known as the Federal Government? That's the worst solution possible.
pdxstogieman
13 years ago
What form of government are you referring to that hasn't worked anywhere else? Do you not think the form of government that's been in place in the United States the last 200 years has worked? The fact that there are differences in the philosophies between parties within the system of government they exist in doesn't mean the party you disagree with is beyond the bounds of that system of government. That's simply the way you want to frame it because you're one of the embittered losers who wants to try and define the party you disagree with as being somehow beyond the pale, Un-American, and a bunch of commmie pinkos. The Democratic candidate for president just won a fair election in this free country and other than differences in priorities as to what to spend tax money on, whether debt should continue to be incurred and at what rate and whether the borrowed money should be spent more or less on military industrial/corporate welfare or social safety net budget items, and to what extent certain religious tenets held by some should be imposed on all, as far as I know we all ascribe to the same form of government with three branches, free elections, a constitution, and a bill of rights. So quit framing your questions in ways that inherently cast those who are working within the bounds of our system of government, but whom you have philosophical differences with, as being enemies to what self appointed "real Americans" such as yourself consider yours alone.


Oscar
13 years ago
=d> =d> =d> =d>
Gene363
13 years ago
Real Americans use periods and paragraphs. [horse]
rfenst
13 years ago

The only Expertise we develop is how to fall back into the same bad habits and to worship the same RoyaltY . iN THE 80S I HAD AN CHANCE FOR A FULL SCHLOLARSHIP TO DICKINSON and walked away from it rather that pledge allegiance to the same tired and vain society who control the feild of Law. I do not regret it for it is the same mentality that guarantees you will never evolve and get anywhere.

jackconrad wrote:




WGAF about some scholarship you had a chance for, but never got? What the hell does whether I will ever "evolve and get anywhere" (whatever that means) have anything to do with any of this? Don't answer. Just fix your own demons instead of those you project on me, loser.

pdxstogieman
13 years ago

Real Americans use periods and paragraphs. [horse]

Gene363 wrote:



Powerful counter argument. Check and mate for the paragraph policeman.
snowwolf777
13 years ago

A few reasons why I'm voting for Obama.

I make good money and I'm willing to pay my fair share.

cwilhelmi wrote:




Quick question - can someone show me the math formula for "fair share?"

What the President decides is MY fair share? What Obamaphone Lady thinks is my "fair share". Never seen the "fair share" thing quantified.




DrafterX
13 years ago

Quick question - can someone show me the math formula for "fair share?"

What the President decides is MY fair share? What Obamaphone Lady thinks is my "fair share". Never seen the "fair share" thing quantified.




snowwolf777 wrote:




how much you got..?? 😕
rumraider
13 years ago

how much you got..?? 😕

DrafterX wrote:



🤣
teedubbya
13 years ago
Somehow I doubt lefty will ever be hired to design a neutral survey instrument.

Since you like a horrifically awful idea that will kill us all tell me why you suck without calling names lol.
bloody spaniard
13 years ago

The only Expertise we develop is how to fall back into the same bad habits and to worship the same RoyaltY . iN THE 80S I HAD AN CHANCE FOR A FULL SCHLOLARSHIP TO DICKINSON and walked away from it rather that pledge allegiance to the same tired and vain society who control the feild of Law. I do not regret it for it is the same mentality that guarantees you will never evolve and get anywhere.

If all the incumbents' were voted out i think the newly elected Government would see the handwriting on the wall and know that the Publics' business is the only reason they are there eventually the power Mongers would not be intrerested in running anymore if what they seek is not there..

jackconrad wrote:




WGAF about some scholarship you had a chance for, but never got? What the hell does whether I will ever "evolve and get anywhere" (whatever that means) have anything to do with any of this? Don't answer. Just fix your own demons instead of those you project on me, loser.

rfenst wrote:




I feel the 💓

teedubbya
13 years ago
I don't like that fancy book learning stuff because after you do it you'll never be the same never be able to evolve correctly

You should never have to listen to things you disagree with and synthesize them and come up with your own opinions once you listen to that that you don't agree with your done

I am a brainwashed robot
bloody spaniard
13 years ago

I don't like that fancy book learning stuff because after you do it you'll never be the same never be able to evolve correctly
You should never have to listen to things you disagree with and synthesize them and come up with your own opinions once you listen to that that you don't agree with your done
I am a brainwashed robot

teedubbya wrote:




OK, ok, I bite. Which voice in your head is giving you the hard time now?
teedubbya
13 years ago
leftyposthole
13 years ago
Ok fellas, other than CW no one has given me his side of the story. There have been little snippits here and there but mostly just cutesy one liners, and trying to belittle me for even asking such a question. Would seem your ideology has blinded many of you. The difference in ideas on how our government should function between the two sides is monstrous. The simple fact that the folks on the left want to take money from people they deem to rich and give it to those who are not is the basic premise of communism. The fact as stated above that we have had some forty or fifty years of taking from other people, in the form of taxation, and trying to eliminate poverty has shown that it will not work. We have more poor now than ever before, billions of dollars later. The plan was never to eliminate poverty, but to create a dependant society that eventually would never vote to bite the hand that feeds them. If in fact it were the later poverty would have been gone years ago. The government has proven many times over that it is incapable of running anything efficiently and you seem to want them running more and more of our lives. There are many flaws on both sides but I will still stand with the ones who want to live free from government intervention into our lives, let us work for our money and keep it, and educate our children with money actually going to educate them rather than the unions trying to figure out how to put more teachers on the payroll. Many of you have done nothing more than state how you despise my kind of thinking, but have failed to state why you think your ideas are better and how they will make all our lives as americans better in the future. I can only conclude that it is more a hate for the right than it is a belief that what you have to offer is better. I am an old duffer and what is coming down the pipe will not effect me so much, but I have children and grandchildren who will be overwhelmed by all this and I fear for them. My hope is that many of you will put the future of our country ahead of ideology, put our selfishness aside and consider do we really want go down this socialistic path. Eventually we will run out of other peoples money.
HockeyDad
13 years ago

My hope is that many of you will put the future of our country ahead of ideology, put our selfishness aside and consider do we really want go down this socialistic path.

leftyposthole wrote:




What you are missing is that question has already been asked and answered. We aren't still at the point where we are considering going down the socialistic path.
teedubbya
13 years ago
Pot meet kettle
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