teedubbya
13 years ago

On related news, Walmart employees will be striking next Thursday- just in time for black friday.
...and the USPS is running a deficit 3x larger than last year's.

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bloody spaniard wrote:



you have to admire walmart employee's efficiency since they have to establish their union first. who knew the crip at the door was so smirt
cacman
13 years ago

"The industry has overcapacity. We're overcapacity. Our rivals are overcapacity," said Rayburn in an interview on CNBC. Asked if the shutdown decision could be reversed if the Bakers' union agreed to immediately return to work, he responded, "Too late."

teedubbya wrote:


Majority of non-union workers agreed to cuts, except for the Bakers Union. Dispute over health benefits and pensions. So now everyone looses including non-unions workers because of a union decision. Good job.

"Too late." Now trying to liquidate assets.
dpnewell
13 years ago

Here we go.....

Can anyone explain the 3.45 million the CEO got paid per year? I don't suppose the board of directors were making $35,000 a year either. Throw in a few Vice Presidents while your at it.

And yes I realize the CEO took a non pay for himself for a couple months to satisfy the unions a while ago.

Sometime I think you guys want everyone with no home, car, and insurance. Then you can say Romney would have done something for them. Closed a mysterious loophole or two.

Forget unions, what happened to "of the PEOPLE, by the PEOPLE, for the PEOPLE. "

Need to change it to, "whatever the corporations want, for whatever the fed can get from their PAC's, screw people. "

Ignorance runs rampant in you're posts, very telling of the posters.

What if the top 10 people at hostess took a 1% pay cut, cut their golden parachutes a touch, and put the company into surplus? Food for thought.

sd72 wrote:



Yes, just like the fairy tale of raising taxes on the wealthy is going to fix the deficit. I wonder what world some of you live in? 8% pay cut on 18,500 employees making an average of $35k a year equals a whopping $52 million required to keep the company from going bankrupt. If the CEO gave up his entire paycheck, they'd still be $49 million short. If the top 10 people where making a total of $30 million (which I really doubt), 1% pay cut would save a measly $300k. Do you folks actually think about what you say, or are you just parroting lib talking points?

But hey, America has spoken. 52% of voters believe these fairy tales.
bloody spaniard
13 years ago
racist (not you two deep thinkers, just TW)
HockeyDad
13 years ago
...But the CEO of an 18000 employee company made a lot of money!

The union wanted more and once again killed the golden goose.
Stinkdyr
13 years ago
Maybe the Bakers' Union can pool their pension assets, buy the plants, trucks etc in liquidation.......then run the company right and pay themselves whatever they want!

I say go for it........just don't force the taxpayer to fund the project, like GM.

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bloody spaniard
13 years ago
Is it a bad thing that the employees tired of working indoors & just wanted the time off to weigh other options? No, I don't think so.
Plenty of potential, shovel- ready jobs opening up in Tarp II- coming to a neighborhood near you in the next 4 years. Lots of fresh air & exercise.
Brewha
13 years ago
I twinkie saved my life once.
I ate it.
sd72
13 years ago
It was only five thousand bakers who held out, but 18,500 lost their jobs due to the shutdown. If the news report on tv is accurate. So 5000 employees taking an eight percent cut on $33,000 equals?

$13,200,000.

What's the cost of pay, bonuses, retirement, and perks for the white collar employees?

Why does the guy making $33000 have to carry the costs of everything? Maybe we should all make min wage, that's $16000 a year! Gross. Not net.

If it was a non union company, they would just do it, and it wouldn't make the news. There'd be 5000 more people living at poverty level. Pretty soon we won't be able to buy the crap were importing from china.

After the majority of people get driven into the streets, and the corporations rule, like in the early 1900s, well have another wave of organizing. Just like then. And why? Because those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it. And apparently most here are of that sort.

Why is there never common ground? Corporate profits are at an average all time high, but that's not the workers business to worry about. Is it?
Brewha
13 years ago

It was only five thousand bakers who held out, but 18,500 lost their jobs due to the shutdown. If the news report on tv is accurate. So 5000 employees taking an eight percent cut on $33,000 equals?

$13,200,000.

What's the cost of pay, bonuses, retirement, and perks for the white collar employees?

Why does the guy making $33000 have to carry the costs of everything? Maybe we should all make min wage, that's $16000 a year! Gross. Not net.

If it was a non union company, they would just do it, and it wouldn't make the news. There'd be 5000 more people living at poverty level. Pretty soon we won't be able to buy the crap were importing from china.

After the majority of people get driven into the streets, and the corporations rule, like in the early 1900s, well have another wave of organizing. Just like then. And why? Because those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it. And apparently most here are of that sort.

Why is there never common ground? Corporate profits are at an average all time high, but that's not the workers business to worry about. Is it?

sd72 wrote:



+1
cacman
13 years ago

It was only five thousand bakers who held out, but 18,500 lost their jobs due to the shutdown. If the news report on tv is accurate. So 5000 employees taking an eight percent cut on $33,000 equals?

$13,200,000.

What's the cost of pay, bonuses, retirement, and perks for the white collar employees?

Why does the guy making $33000 have to carry the costs of everything? Maybe we should all make min wage, that's $16000 a year! Gross. Not net.

If it was a non union company, they would just do it, and it wouldn't make the news. There'd be 5000 more people living at poverty level. Pretty soon we won't be able to buy the crap were importing from china.

After the majority of people get driven into the streets, and the corporations rule, like in the early 1900s, well have another wave of organizing. Just like then. And why? Because those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it. And apparently most here are of that sort.

Why is there never common ground? Corporate profits are at an average all time high, but that's not the workers business to worry about. Is it?

sd72 wrote:


My understanding - The union workers did not agree to the pay cuts, and changes in health and retirement benefits. But all other non-union workers did agree to the same pay cut. So 5,000 union workers cost the other 13,500 non-union workers their job, plus the closure.
DrafterX
13 years ago
greedy bassards.... 😠
sd72
13 years ago
I'm pretty sure that's what I said.
Stinkdyr
13 years ago

It was only five thousand bakers who held out, but 18,500 lost their jobs due to the shutdown. If the news report on tv is accurate. So 5000 employees taking an eight percent cut on $33,000 equals?

$13,200,000.

What's the cost of pay, bonuses, retirement, and perks for the white collar employees?

Why does the guy making $33000 have to carry the costs of everything? Maybe we should all make min wage, that's $16000 a year! Gross. Not net.

If it was a non union company, they would just do it, and it wouldn't make the news. There'd be 5000 more people living at poverty level. Pretty soon we won't be able to buy the crap were importing from china.

After the majority of people get driven into the streets, and the corporations rule, like in the early 1900s, well have another wave of organizing. Just like then. And why? Because those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it. And apparently most here are of that sort.

Why is there never common ground? Corporate profits are at an average all time high, but that's not the workers business to worry about. Is it?

sd72 wrote:




Maybe you missed my post where I said this:

Maybe the Bakers' Union can pool their pension assets, buy the plants, trucks etc in liquidation.......then run the company right and pay themselves whatever they want!

I say go for it........just don't force the taxpayer to fund the project, like GM.




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dpnewell
13 years ago

It was only five thousand bakers who held out, but 18,500 lost their jobs due to the shutdown. If the news report on tv is accurate. So 5000 employees taking an eight percent cut on $33,000 equals?

$13,200,000.

What's the cost of pay, bonuses, retirement, and perks for the white collar employees?

Why does the guy making $33000 have to carry the costs of everything? Maybe we should all make min wage, that's $16000 a year! Gross. Not net.

If it was a non union company, they would just do it, and it wouldn't make the news. There'd be 5000 more people living at poverty level. Pretty soon we won't be able to buy the crap were importing from china.

After the majority of people get driven into the streets, and the corporations rule, like in the early 1900s, well have another wave of organizing. Just like then. And why? Because those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it. And apparently most here are of that sort.

Why is there never common ground? Corporate profits are at an average all time high, but that's not the workers business to worry about. Is it?

sd72 wrote:




cacman already pointed out the flaws in your argument, but let me reiterate. Non-union workers, as well as The Teamsters already agreed to the new terms, so my original numbers are spot on. Five thousand who refused to compromise in a time of economic downturn (thanks to our gracious President), cost 13,500 of their fellow workers their jobs. But, got to defend the union at all costs, no matter who suffers. Wonder what the Teamsters who lost their jobs think of the Baker's Union?

Oh, and if we ask the rich to pay just a little bit more, it’s going to fix the deficit. HAAAA! The crap you libs swallow is a freak’n riot!!!!!!!!! But America has spoken. 52% of voters love to swallow crap.
HockeyDad
13 years ago

After the majority of people get driven into the streets, and the corporations rule, like in the early 1900s, well have another wave of organizing. Just like then. And why? Because those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it. And apparently most here are of that sort.

sd72 wrote:




Only Rickamaven was alive in the early 1900s.
HockeyDad
13 years ago

Because those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it.

sd72 wrote:




You mean like the way unions keep killing companies and don't learn from the lesson?
HockeyDad
13 years ago

Corporate profits are at an average all time high, but that's not the workers business to worry about. Is it?

sd72 wrote:




I can think of one company where profits are not at an average all time high. The workers decided it wasn't their business to worry about it.
teedubbya
13 years ago
it sounds like the industry is over capacity anyway. stupd time to strike, but maybe just hurrying things along
HockeyDad
13 years ago

Maybe you missed my post where I said this:

Maybe the Bakers' Union can pool their pension assets, buy the plants, trucks etc in liquidation.......then run the company right and pay themselves whatever they want!

I say go for it........just don't force the taxpayer to fund the project, like GM.

Stinkdyr wrote:




This sounds like an excellent idea and probably a great investment. They should know since they work there.
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