Sigh...

Brew... you aren't a bad person, but you're.... myopic.

First, the "Standard Disclaimer" is an absolute necessity on this forum, otherwise some less than bright individuals would run around calling me a liberal simply because I think the steps they take in their decision making process are.... poor. The disclaimer is necessary to differentiate that my disagreement is not with the negative impact on the environment, but rather the piss poor decision-making.

Now... on to your little list.

1 - your claim I have an obligation to "pay it forward" simply because I have been born? Do I have a greater or lesser obligation to pay it forward than an individual who is popping out spawn and will ultimately use it? Because the people with children don't seem to give a rats ass, I'm just being honest about my lack of interest.

2 - the circle of life doesn't exist. it's a bull**** concept disney shoved up everyone's ass. It's more a constantly collapsing and re-forming amoeba of life.

3 - I never claimed these were honorable values.

4 - You want ME to care about YOUR future, and a lack of MY caring about YOUR future shows poor character? You pre-suppose that you deserve a future... I am under no obligation to believe that every idiot on this planet deserves a future, and I'd question your judgement if you think they do.

Be that as it may, you have obligations whether you acknowledge them or not. Rationalize all you like, but we are all part of a long line of codependence. And if you see yourself as owing nothing, you are not accurate or unique – only ungrateful.

I guess this all started with me taking exception to your pride in admittedly dishonorable values. And having discussed it, you have more than pride, you have zeal. I really should have seen this coming.

Perhaps I am more short sighted than I had thought.

Yes - Uh, , , ,

Well, I like my women like I like my coffee.

Bitter and shallow . . . .

Ah good.... I was afraid you'd just remain insufferably holier-than-thou.

You are certain I have obligations based on my existence on this planet. List them off. Be precise. You can't just make a blanket statement about some vague obligations and run off. How am I supposed to know whether you are fulfilling your obligations? Are these obligations transferable? If my mother was a really good person and recycled a lot, am I absolved from having to do it?

Don't just stand there and be smug about how much you care about our planet, Tell me, and be precise. Exactly how much responsibility you believe each individual has. Have you met your responsibility? Or are you just sitting here being smug because you "care"? (I'd like to point out, that "caring" accomplishes nothing). Additionally, can this "responsibility" be monetarily accomplished? What percentage of your income do you dedicate to this responsibility? Are there specific acceptable charities?

I swear, you're starting to remind me of the san franciscans in South Park, smugly sniffing their own farts.

An outstanding episode!

(I believe the official term for "caring" is actually "raising awareness".)

Yes, I am certain that you (we) have obligations to others and our environment.

Give you a precise list and don’t make blanket statements about a persons obligations in life? Really?

Victor, the matter of our obligations as people is even less simple then you think. And there is no level of detail, no exhaustive list, or thoroughly tested bit of reason that would suffice; you are an admitted misanthrope with dishonorable values and pants that are way too short (ok, I guessed about the pants). You have already dismissed core values common to all people (it’s people I talking about here), so having me providing you further example or comparing notes would have no meaning.

I might as well try to convince Richard Dawkins to love Jesus, or Hitler to wear a yamaka, or ****** Clark to host the 2014 New Years Eve Bash. Face it Victor, you are not looking for reason – you are looking for a benevolent thought that you can devour like Mama Cass on a ham samich.

BTW; caring is the precursor to humanities greatest actions. Without its’ spark the home fires would not burn.

it's always about the cream with you huh.... 🤨

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Ok. Since you're not willing to quantify anything at all, which I take to mean you really haven't thought through the entire argument, let me do a little work for you.

I'm not having children.

This means I'm not having the average 2 kids (in the US, mileage may vary in other countries), and they are not having the average 2 kids each, etc etc.

This means that within the span of 50 years, I have already voluntarily removed the generation of waste and consumption of resources of 6 WESTERN people (important to emphasize, as we consume more here than pretty much anywhere).

That's 6 people's worth of gas consumption (lifetime) saved.

That's the clean water consumption of 6 people. Saved.

That's the energy consumption, air conditioning, beef consumption. Saved.

I've already done more for the rest of the people on this planet than 99% of the population, simply by not breeding.

But that's not enough for you? I'm supposed to also say I care? I have a news flash for you... I WON'T BE THERE. Do you care if the fat guy in a room is gonna fart after you've left? no. In fact,if you're particularly devious you may feed him burritos before you leave. (hey drafter, want a burrito?)

I don't know what your obsession with "caring" is. It doesn't actually accomplish anything.

Are you calling the british non-human?