Taps86
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13 years ago
Leave it to him to talk about how bad Washington is right now and how much better it was under Bush. Yep this ****** is the speaker at my wife's graduation.
ZRX1200
13 years ago
Taps86
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13 years ago
I'm going to hate on him for sending my father and family members to die in that ****hole called IRAQ!
ZRX1200
13 years ago
Then hate congress for Presidential War powers act.

Be realz yo.
teedubbya
13 years ago

Then hate congress for Presidential War powers act.

Be realz yo.

ZRX1200 wrote:




Agreed. They gave hin the blank check. He merely added a zero.
rfenst
13 years ago

Then hate congress for Presidential War powers act.

Be real yo.

ZRX1200 wrote:



What about all the lies prompted by members of the Executive Branch and its decisions how to handle things? Where is all the oil we were going to get to pay towards that war? I don't give a **** if Husein was gassing his people and enemies in war. If it needed to be stopped it was the UN's and world's responsibility, not ours. I happen to think Cheney had more to do with it all than anybody realizes.
ZRX1200
13 years ago
Best case scenario they stretched the hell outta the truth.

We have no business playing world police. There were wmd's there just not sexy ones that were promised. But that doesn't justify our blood and treasure cost when they posed no DIRECT threat to the US.
Taps86
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13 years ago
Kinda like Benghazi!
rfenst
13 years ago

Best case scenario they stretched the hell outta the truth.

We have no business playing world police. There were wmd's there just not sexy ones that were promised. But that doesn't justify our blood and treasure cost when they posed no DIRECT threat to the US.

ZRX1200 wrote:



We are in complete agreement here. GTFO of there and Afghanistan by the end of this year no mater what.
frankj1
13 years ago

Best case scenario they stretched the hell outta the truth.

We have no business playing world police. There were wmd's there just not sexy ones that were promised. But that doesn't justify our blood and treasure cost when they posed no DIRECT threat to the US.

ZRX1200 wrote:


absolutely correct. and like it or not, Clinton left office with them unable to leave their own air space. They were no threat to any other country. What they were left to deal with was their citizens' problem to fix.
HockeyDad
13 years ago
We need to get out of Afghanistan so we can invade Syria and Iran and save Israel.
Taps86
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13 years ago

We need to get out of Afghanistan so we can invade Syria and Iran and save Israel.

HockeyDad wrote:



Syria is going to happen eventually. I just hope the UN puts boots on the ground and not us. I had a professor who said it best. United States has Israel, China has North Korea, Russia has Syria/Iran.
Gene363
13 years ago

Syria is going to happen eventually. I just hope the UN puts boots on the ground and not us. I had a professor who said it best. United States has Israel, China has North Korea, Russia has Syria/Iran.

Taps86 wrote:



So, you want to squander the national treasure of our UN allies in Syria as long as we, a UN ally, stay out? Just let Syria have their own civil war.

cacman
13 years ago
Didn't we learn anything from arming the last rebels & Bin Laden during their civil war?
We should stay out of it. WTF has of any of them (including Israel) done for us?
Taps86
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13 years ago


So, you want to squander the national treasure of our UN allies in Syria as long as we, a UN ally, stay out? Just let Syria have their own civil war.

Gene363 wrote:




With all do respect I think the UN is full of cronies. When anything gets done its NATO.
SweetHavok
13 years ago

What about all the lies prompted by members of the Executive Branch and its decisions how to handle things? Where is all the oil we were going to get to pay towards that war? I don't give a **** if Husein was gassing his people and enemies in war. If it needed to be stopped it was the UN's and world's responsibility, not ours. I happen to think Cheney had more to do with it all than anybody realizes.

rfenst wrote:




For all its good intentions and purposes the UN is a largely inept organization. We had member nations violate the oil for food arrangement Iraq had imposed on them. Our lovely comrades, Russia and France (UN members) bought oil for cheap in clear violation of the oil for food arrangement that Iraq agreed upon as part of its peace treaty. So our "ALLIES in the UN" had no vested interest in going to war again with Iraq. Why screw up a good thing. Buy oil cheaply benefiting their own countries.

Last I checked the US left Iraq on its own accord, and was not driven out, or did I miss them becoming a territory or the 51st state of the U.S. If the U.S. was in it for the oil we would have important billions and billions of gallons of oil from Iraq like there was no tomorrow. But that never happened the amount of oil we imported from Iraq stayed relatively the same from before the war.

On a personal note, I was in Iraq for Operation Iraqi Freedom 03-04. I myself didn't necessarily agree with all the reasons we went to war but, I think it was something that needed to be done. Many people hate Bush for what they would call a unnecessary war, but I view Bush differently. Bush made the unpopular decision to go to war and even after it was clear he did not win over the American population into why we needed to go to war with Iraq or as to why we stayed there for as long as we did, Bush through it all held firm to his beliefs. Sometimes a leader must do what is unpopular for the greater good. And that is why I still respect him to this day.
rfenst
13 years ago

For all its good intentions and purposes the UN is a largely inept organization. We had member nations violate the oil for food arrangement Iraq had imposed on them. Our lovely comrades, Russia and France (UN members) bought oil for cheap in clear violation of the oil for food arrangement that Iraq agreed upon as part of its peace treaty. So our "ALLIES in the UN" had no vested interest in going to war again with Iraq. Why screw up a good thing. Buy oil cheaply benefiting their own countries.

Last I checked the US left Iraq on its own accord, and was not driven out, or did I miss them becoming a territory or the 51st state of the U.S. If the U.S. was in it for the oil we would have important billions and billions of gallons of oil from Iraq like there was no tomorrow. But that never happened the amount of oil we imported from Iraq stayed relatively the same from before the war.

On a personal note, I was in Iraq for Operation Iraqi Freedom 03-04. I myself didn't necessarily agree with all the reasons we went to war but, I think it was something that needed to be done. Many people hate Bush for what they would call a unnecessary war, but I view Bush differently. Bush made the unpopular decision to go to war and even after it was clear he did not win over the American population into why we needed to go to war with Iraq or as to why we stayed there for as long as we did, Bush through it all held firm to his beliefs. Sometimes a leader must do what is unpopular for the greater good. And that is why I still respect him to this day.

SweetHavok wrote:



I appreciate that you have served in Iraq and know that that almost all of our troops are out- but there are still some there I don't feel should have their lives in harm's way.

We went to war based on lies. It has cost us over one trillion dollars financialy. It has cost us lives. We were under no threat. 9/11 had no real Iraqi connection. We were told that the oil would offset the cost of orpay for that war. As you would agree, we got nothing of it. If Iraqis wanted freedom, they need to rise up and take it on their own.

Why do you think we needed to go there?
ZRX1200
13 years ago
True statement about leadership.

Problem is the POTUS need be concerned with the USA's greater good only. Period.

I think GWB was like Jeckle&Hyde with his heart and his actions.
rfenst
13 years ago

True statement about leadership.

Problem is the POTUS need be concerned with the USA's greater good only. Period.

I think GWB was like Jeckle&Hyde with his heart and his actions.

ZRX1200 wrote:



I don't want to start bashing him and respect the fact that he served as OUR President, but I just think he was unsuited for the job and that others were running the show.
ZRX1200
13 years ago
What's different now?!

LMAO!
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