Abrignac
12 years ago
A Johns Hopkins scientist has issued a blistering report on influenza vaccines in the British Medical Journal (BMJ). Peter Doshi, Ph.D., charges that although the vaccines are being pushed on the public in unprecedented numbers, they are less effective and cause more side effects than alleged by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Further, says Doshi, the studies that underlie the CDC's policy of encouraging most people to get a yearly flu shot are often low quality studies that do not substantiate the official claims.

Promoting influenza vaccines is one of the most visible and aggressive public health policies in the United States, says Doshi of the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine. Drug companies and public officials press for widespread vaccination each fall, offering vaccinations in drugstores and supermarkets. The results have been phenomenal. Only 20 years ago, 32 million doses of influenza vaccine were available in the United States on an annual basis. Today, the total has skyrocketed to 135 million doses.

"The vaccine may be less beneficial and less safe than has been claimed, and the threat of influenza seems to be overstated," Doshi says. Mandatory vaccination polices have been enacted, often in healthcare facilities, forcing some people to take the vaccine under threat of losing their jobs.

The main assertion of the CDC that fuels the push for flu vaccines each year is that influenza comes with a risk of serious complications which can cause death, especially in senior citizens and those suffering from chronic illnesses. That's not the case, said Doshi.

When read carefully, the CDC acknowledges that studies finding any perceived reduction in death rates may be due to the "healthy-user effect" — the tendency for healthier people to be vaccinated more than less-healthy people. The only randomized trial of influenza vaccine in older people found no decrease in deaths. "This means that influenza vaccines are approved for use in older people despite any clinical trials demonstrating a reduction in serious outcomes," says Doshi.

Even when the vaccine is closely matched to the type of influenza that's prevalent, which doesn't happen every year, randomized, controlled trials of healthy adults found that vaccinating between 33 and 100 people resulted in one less case of influenza. In addition, says Doshi, no evidence exists to show that this reduction in the risk of influenza for a specific population — here in the United States, among healthy adults, for example — extrapolates into any reduced risk of serious complications from influenza, such as hospitalizations or deaths, among seniors.

"For most people, and possibly most doctors, officials need only claim that vaccines save lives, and it is assumed there must be solid research behind it," says Doshi. Unfortunately, that's not the case, he says.

Although the CDC implies that flu vaccines are safe and there's no need to weigh benefits against risk, Doshi disagrees. He points to an Australian study that found one in every 110 children under the age of five had convulsions following vaccinations in 2009 for H1N1 influenza. Additional investigations found that the H1N1 vaccine was also associated with a spike in cases of narcolepsy among adolescents.

Doshi's concerns echo those of Dr. Russell Blaylock, a neurosurgeon and author of "The Blaylock Wellness Report" who has deep concerns over the safety and efficacy of the flu vaccine.

Not only is the vaccine not safe, Dr. Blaylock tells Newsmax Health, it doesn't even work. "The vaccine is completely worthless, and the government knows it," he says. "There are three reasons the government tells the elderly why they should get flu shots: secondary pneumonia, hospitalization, and death. Yet a study by the Cochrane group studied hundreds of thousands of people and found it offered zero protection for those three things in the general community. It offered people in nursing homes some immunity against the flu — at best one-third — but that was only if they picked the right vaccine."

A study released in February found that the flu shot was only 9 percent effective in protecting seniors against the 2012-2013 season's most virulent influenza bug.

What's even worse is that small children who are given the flu vaccine get no protection from the disease. "The government also says that every baby over the age of six months should have a vaccine, and they know it contains a dose of mercury that is toxic to the brain," says Dr. Blaylock. "They also know the studies have shown that the flu vaccine has zero — zero — effectiveness in children under five."

For most people, says Dr. Blaylock, flu vaccines don't prevent the flu but actually increase the odds of getting it. The mercury contained in vaccines is such a strong immune depressant that a flu shot suppresses immunity for several weeks. "This makes people highly susceptible to catching the flu," he says. "They may even think the vaccine gave them the flu, but that's not true — it depressed their immune system and then they caught the flu."

Mercury overstimulates the brain for several years, says Dr. Blaylock, and that activation is the cause of Alzheimer's and other degenerative diseases. One study found that those who get the flu vaccine for three to five years increase their risk of Alzheimer's disease 10-fold.

Doshi asserts that influenza is a case of "disease mongering" in an effort to expand markets. He points to the fact that deaths from flu declined sharply during the middle of the 20th century, long before the huge vaccine campaigns that kicked off the 21st century.

Why do drug companies push the flu vaccine? "It's all about money," says Dr. Blaylock. "Vaccines are a pharmaceutical company's dream. They have a product that both the government and the media will help them sell, and since vaccines are protected, they can't be sued if anyone has a complication."

Doshi's article "is a breath of fresh air," says Dr. Blaylock. "This article exposes in well-defined and articulate terms what has been known for a long time — the flu vaccine promotion is a fraud.

"Here's the bottom line," says Dr. Blaylock. "The vast number of people who get the flu vaccine aren't going to get any benefit, but they get all of the risks and complications."



http://www.newsmaxhealth.com/Headline/influenza-virus-flu-vaccine-Peter-Doshi-Ph-D-/2013/05/16/id/504942#ixzz2hrP5ywIc 
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jackconrad
12 years ago
For years i would not get them then i would be sick 8 or 9 weeks a year. Now i get them and rarley get sick
Kidmd
12 years ago
Oh Boy!
I could have afield day with this one....

First thing.. The convulsions were caused by fever associated the vaccine....not the vaccine itself...they are febrile seizures..very common in children...very benign as well..scary looking to the parent but still benign...to me when the child Spikes a fever after a vaccine or during an illness it makes me comfortable...because it means the child's immune system is healthy..the body sees an infection( or in the case of a vaccine, a piece of chopped up, dead, killed virus/bacteria) and secretes chemicals to heat up the body....these viruses/bacteria live in very narrow temperature ranges..by heating up the body is actually trying to kill the infection...thus if you can spike a fever the immune system is intact....severe immune diseased people can't spike fevers...

The mercury issue is crap.....you get MORE mercury ingesting a piece of tuna sushi at you local Benihana's.....mmmmm...I love Benihana's....The only flu vaccines that contain mercury(thimerosol) are the adult doses.

and yes if you can protect 1/3 of the elderly in a nursing home...well isn't that a good thing....DOH!#-o

THE PEDIATRIC DOSES CONTAIN NO MERCURY!!!!!! The ones I purchase to give contain ZERO mercury (thimerosol). TIs guys Has ZERO CREDIBILITY!!!! He does not even know what he talks about....
Why do you think this was published in a FORIEGN journal (Britsh)....any American journal would have fact checked it and NOT published it!!!!!and probably did, hence published in Britain....the same country that started the whole mercury scare with the MMR causiing AUTISM...this was never published in America because the stats were skewed...lthis was published in the LANCET , a British medical journal,....the doc that wrote it. Later came out and admitted he LIED! YES! LIED about the data....the vaccines Did NOT cause autism...they stripped him of his license ...should have JAILED him as well....you know how many men in England are noe sterile from mumps infection because of this scare....mommy was scared her boy would get autism..no vaccine...boy gets mumps...boy becomes sterile...no babies for Johnny.... Sad, sad, sad

I STILL get people in my office thinking the vaccine causes autism...
THRE are NO pediatric vaccines that contain mercury any more due to this stupid scare...Thais is probably a good thing..
Moral of the story put down the TUNA sandwich..it contains more mercury than the flu shot!!!!
And VACCINES DO NOT cause autism.....
Sorry this thread was about the flu shot...

The USA has not had a bad influenza outbreak in decades...they attribute this to good survelence and the flu shot... The new tamiflu drug does NOT work well... It has a narrow window... MUST be given within 48 hours of the onset of symptoms...when you first get the flu 98% look like a common cold...to the doc and the patient..unless you test for flu...but not everyone goes to the doc for a cold in the first 48 hours...thank god.. I would be swamped...
The alternative..stop the flu shots and risk the possibility of an outbreak that kills thousands , hundreds of thousands....my money is on the shot....
Yes, the flu shot IS effective in children under 5.... They have cherry picked thier data.. The new Flumist nasal inhaled vaccine is not that effective in children...the injectable IS effective... The first time a child under 2 gets the vaccine one must give 2 vaccines at least 6 weeks apart in order to afford immunity... This only for the first time the child gets it and ONLY if under 2 y/o old.
The last 2 flu seasons the CDC "missed" the virus....the most common causing the infections in the USA..is predicted via computer models...the last 2 years they have kinda missed the data... This is what these docs are quoting...if you cherry pick data you can make any argument look valid.
Also, there is a fallacy in the flu vaccine...it does not entirely prevent any one from "getting" the flu...you can get the flu evn if the vaccine is "dead on" ( the vaccine is against the proper strain)... But the symptoms and length of illness are drastically reduced... You will have just cold like symptoms not the old, take me out back and shoot me flu symptoms...just remember this.
Kidmd
12 years ago
BTW dr Blaylock is a quack...a very smart quack but still a quack...if it looks like a duck, sounds like ....well you know the rest.
DadZilla3
12 years ago
Say...maybe getting a flu shot every year is why my golf game is so crappy lately...:-k
Burner02
12 years ago

Say...maybe getting a flu shot every year is why my golf game is so crappy lately...:-k

DadZilla3 wrote:




Let me know if it works!
bs_kwaj
12 years ago
When I was in ejection seat tech school at Chanute AFB in Illinois back in 1976, I think (hard to remember back that far!), I got a flu shot. Before the flu shot I was fine. After the shot I was sick for 2 weeks.

Haven't had a flu shot since. I've had the Kwaj Krud a few times out here, but nothing a little Dayquil and Nyquil and orange juice couldn't handle in a couple of days.

🍺
rfenst
12 years ago
Oh Boy!
I could have afield day with this one....

First thing.. The convulsions were caused by fever associated the vaccine....not the vaccine itself...they are febrile seizures..very common in children...very benign as well..scary looking to the parent but still benign...to me when the child Spikes a fever after a vaccine or during an illness it makes me comfortable...because it means the child's immune system is healthy..the body sees an infection( or in the case of a vaccine, a piece of chopped up, dead, killed virus/bacteria) and secretes chemicals to heat up the body....these viruses/bacteria live in very narrow temperature ranges..by heating up the body is actually trying to kill the infection...thus if you can spike a fever the immune system is intact....severe immune diseased people can't spike fevers...

The mercury issue is crap.....you get MORE mercury ingesting a piece of tuna sushi at you local Benihana's.....mmmmm...I love Benihana's....The only flu vaccines that contain mercury(thimerosol) are the adult doses.

and yes if you can protect 1/3 of the elderly in a nursing home...well isn't that a good thing....DOH!#-o

THE PEDIATRIC DOSES CONTAIN NO MERCURY!!!!!! The ones I purchase to give contain ZERO mercury (thimerosol). TIs guys Has ZERO CREDIBILITY!!!! He does not even know what he talks about....
Why do you think this was published in a FORIEGN journal (Britsh)....any American journal would have fact checked it and NOT published it!!!!!and probably did, hence published in Britain....the same country that started the whole mercury scare with the MMR causiing AUTISM...this was never published in America because the stats were skewed...lthis was published in the LANCET , a British medical journal,....the doc that wrote it. Later came out and admitted he LIED! YES! LIED about the data....the vaccines Did NOT cause autism...they stripped him of his license ...should have JAILED him as well....you know how many men in England are noe sterile from mumps infection because of this scare....mommy was scared her boy would get autism..no vaccine...boy gets mumps...boy becomes sterile...no babies for Johnny.... Sad, sad, sad

I STILL get people in my office thinking the vaccine causes autism...
THRE are NO pediatric vaccines that contain mercury any more due to this stupid scare...Thais is probably a good thing..
Moral of the story put down the TUNA sandwich..it contains more mercury than the flu shot!!!!
And VACCINES DO NOT cause autism.....
Sorry this thread was about the flu shot...

The USA has not had a bad influenza outbreak in decades...they attribute this to good survelence and the flu shot... The new tamiflu drug does NOT work well... It has a narrow window... MUST be given within 48 hours of the onset of symptoms...when you first get the flu 98% look like a common cold...to the doc and the patient..unless you test for flu...but not everyone goes to the doc for a cold in the first 48 hours...thank god.. I would be swamped...
The alternative..stop the flu shots and risk the possibility of an outbreak that kills thousands , hundreds of thousands....my money is on the shot....
Yes, the flu shot IS effective in children under 5.... They have cherry picked thier data.. The new Flumist nasal inhaled vaccine is not that effective in children...the injectable IS effective... The first time a child under 2 gets the vaccine one must give 2 vaccines at least 6 weeks apart in order to afford immunity... This only for the first time the child gets it and ONLY if under 2 y/o old.
The last 2 flu seasons the CDC "missed" the virus....the most common causing the infections in the USA..is predicted via computer models...the last 2 years they have kinda missed the data... This is what these docs are quoting...if you cherry pick data you can make any argument look valid.
Also, there is a fallacy in the flu vaccine...it does not entirely prevent any one from "getting" the flu...you can get the flu evn if the vaccine is "dead on" ( the vaccine is against the proper strain)... But the symptoms and length of illness are drastically reduced... You will have just cold like symptoms not the old, take me out back and shoot me flu symptoms...just remember this.


Be repared for some seriou, heavy duty blow-back from some folks here.
HockeyDad
12 years ago
small font outrage

(it is like a midget screaming)
rfenst
12 years ago
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rfenst
12 years ago

When I was in ejection seat tech school at Chanute AFB in Illinois back in 1976, I think (hard to remember back that far!), I got a flu shot. Before the flu shot I was fine. After the shot I was sick for 2 weeks.

Haven't had a flu shot since. I've had the Kwaj Krud a few times out here, but nothing a little Dayquil and Nyquil and orange juice couldn't handle in a couple of days.

🍺

bs_kwaj wrote:



Post hoc ergo propter hoc?
dstieger
12 years ago

Post hoc ergo propter hoc?

rfenst wrote:



Good point. But, with me, it was a repeatable experiment with same results. In the service, we were required to get shots every year. Throughout much of the 80's and 90's, I got sick after the shot more than 3/4 of the time. I have no doubt there was a psychosomatic component, but nonetheless, the results were the same. Once I was no longer required to get the shot, I stopped getting them. And stopped getting sick annually.

I do believe that the vaccines have improved and I could probably get one today without getting sick, but I seriously doubt I will bother.
tailgater
12 years ago

Oh Boy!


First thing.. The convulsions were caused by fever associated the vaccine....not the vaccine itself....

Kidmd wrote:




So to be clear:
The vaccine doesn't cause convulsions.
The fever causes the convulsions.

The fact that the vaccine causes the fever is of no concern. Totally unrelated. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. Sequential causation need not apply.

Look!
Something shiny!



DrafterX
12 years ago
I heard they are gonna be mandatory under Obamacare.... 😟
HockeyDad
12 years ago

I heard they are gonna be mandatory under Obamacare.... 😟

DrafterX wrote:



With a $50 deductible under a silver plan!
jackconrad
12 years ago
Voluntary and free
HockeyDad
12 years ago

Voluntary and free

jackconrad wrote:




Nothing is free.
DrafterX
12 years ago

Nothing is free.

HockeyDad wrote:




poor CROS..... 😞
DadZilla3
12 years ago

I heard they are gonna be mandatory under Obamacare.... 😟

DrafterX wrote:


But will Obamacare have a Platinum Membership plan? 🤔
DrafterX
12 years ago

But will Obamacare have a Platinum Membership plan? 🤔

DadZilla3 wrote:



:-k
You'd think so... you should call Toll Free: 1-800-830-4590 and ask them.... 👍
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