Abrignac
12 years ago

...or better yet, weekends or anytime in the late morning or early afternoon during the week... Weekday mornings are a little stressful especially now that she's about to formally set things up and needs to iron out background/security checks, etc.

bloody spaniard wrote:



Since I'm working this weekend it will have to wait until Monday while CB is at school.
teedubbya
12 years ago
KidMD it is still symantics. If the shot makes you not feel well for awhile it makes you not feel well. You may not consider it sick based on how you categorize it (you feel correctly) others may call it sick. They feel sick.

That is my only point. Too many docs do exactly what you are doing..... forget about lay language and hang their hat on their superior knowledge base. They also hate when someone thinks they may be wrong. It's a god complex thing at times.

Perception means something. Don't forget that. I'm actually with you on the facts and the science of it, but if you ever tell someone they are not sick (based on your set of criteria) and they feel sick don't wonder why you don't see them again. It's nothing more than managing perception.

In reality, the shot does make some folks "feel" sick. If they tell you it does, it does (or some other coincidental variable at times). It is not complicated.
DrafterX
12 years ago
sick bassard..!! 😠
HockeyDad
12 years ago

KidMD it is still symantics. If the shot makes you not feel well for awhile it makes you not feel well. You may not consider it sick based on how you categorize it (you feel correctly) others may call it sick. They feel sick.

That is my only point. Too many docs do exactly what you are doing..... forget about lay language and hang their hat on their superior knowledge base. They also hate when someone thinks they may be wrong. It's a god complex thing at times.

Perception means something. Don't forget that. I'm actually with you on the facts and the science of it, but if you ever tell someone they are not sick (based on your set of criteria) and they feel sick don't wonder why you don't see them again. It's nothing more than managing perception.

In reality, the shot does make some folks "feel" sick. If they tell you it does, it does (or some other coincidental variable at times). It is not complicated.

teedubbya wrote:




I head that if the shot makes you feel sick and you go back to the doctor, they tell you're not really sick and don't charge you for the visit.
teedubbya
12 years ago

I head that if the shot makes you feel sick and you go back to the doctor, they tell you're not really sick and don't charge you for the visit.

HockeyDad wrote:



I heard that too. I also heard a cut in the growth of expenditures is still a cut.
HockeyDad
12 years ago

I heard that too. I also heard a cut in the growth of expenditures is still a cut.

teedubbya wrote:




No, that is not a cut. It is a reduction in gains. Like making 4% interest instead of 5% on a CD.
teedubbya
12 years ago

No, that is not a cut. It is a reduction in gains. Like making 4% interest instead of 5% on a CD.

HockeyDad wrote:



tomato tomato


I guess that doesn't work typing it huh?
Kidmd
12 years ago

KidMD it is still symantics. If the shot makes you not feel well for awhile it makes you not feel well. You may not consider it sick based on how you categorize it (you feel correctly) others may call it sick. They feel sick.

That is my only point. Too many docs do exactly what you are doing..... forget about lay language and hang their hat on their superior knowledge base. They also hate when someone thinks they may be wrong. It's a god complex thing at times.

Perception means something. Don't forget that. I'm actually with you on the facts and the science of it, but if you ever tell someone they are not sick (based on your set of criteria) and they feel sick don't wonder why you don't see them again. It's nothing more than managing perception.

In reality, the shot does make some folks "feel" sick. If they tell you it does, it does (or some other coincidental variable at times). It is not complicated.

teedubbya wrote:



I have no problem in you thinking I am wrong... Most of the time i love it when i'm wrong...it means someone does Not have a horrible disease i suspect they have...
But in this case s a side effect from something does not mean your are sick.
Side effects are not illnesses.... they are side effects..and nothing more...
They can make you feel bad...sick...if you want to call it that...in this sense it is semantics...but you are not infected from the shot

God. Complex....in all my years of practice, I have never been said to have that, in fact not one of the over 100 comment that have been left online about myself and my practice mentions that....
We are all god's children and as I have said before you are entitled to your opinion, however skewed/fact less it may be.
Kidmd
12 years ago

I head that if the shot makes you feel sick and you go back to the doctor, they tell you're not really sick and don't charge you for the visit.

HockeyDad wrote:


As a matter of fact....Yes I do this, tell them it is a side effect and there is no charge from my office...I have had several so far this year...
Educate them and hold mommy's hand a bit thru it and all is well...
They are happy when they leave and I reinforce that a fever from a shot means their child's immune system is healthy and they are thriving....it makes me happy as well
tailgater
12 years ago

As a matter of fact....Yes I do this, tell them it is a side effect and there is no charge from my office...I have had several so far this year...

Kidmd wrote:



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tailgater
12 years ago

tomato tomato


I guess that doesn't work typing it huh?

teedubbya wrote:




=d>




(That's twice today I used the "applause" smiley. I must have the clap...)
rfenst
12 years ago

The funny part is the protections big pharma enjoy are the very same protections many are proposing as a way to curb health care costs in general.

teedubbya wrote:



Never mind people; Tort Reform!!!
teedubbya
12 years ago
The last dose of antibiotics I took made me side affected to my stomach. Do you get it yet? It is semantics.

I appreciate your medical training and I actually have said several times that I agree with you on the science. You are just not understanding what I'm saying. And that's very often where the doctor-patient communication gap exists. You see yourself is right and that's just that.
teedubbya
12 years ago
If you can clearly say that side effects do not equal sickness then there can be no such thing as medical harm.

And that's not to say that the cure might be better than the disease don't get me wrong and let's not go down that tangent.
teedubbya
12 years ago
As for never being wrong and the God complex I find it hysterical that your answer back as is you like to be wrong because when you're wrong someone doesn't have a horrible disease. Lol.
victor809
12 years ago

KidMD it is still symantics. If the shot makes you not feel well for awhile it makes you not feel well. You may not consider it sick based on how you categorize it (you feel correctly) others may call it sick. They feel sick.

That is my only point. Too many docs do exactly what you are doing..... forget about lay language and hang their hat on their superior knowledge base. They also hate when someone thinks they may be wrong. It's a god complex thing at times.

Perception means something. Don't forget that. I'm actually with you on the facts and the science of it, but if you ever tell someone they are not sick (based on your set of criteria) and they feel sick don't wonder why you don't see them again. It's nothing more than managing perception.

In reality, the shot does make some folks "feel" sick. If they tell you it does, it does (or some other coincidental variable at times). It is not complicated.

teedubbya wrote:



I'm with kidMD on this. It's more than just semantics. To use the term "sick" when referring to the side effects of a flu vaccination is incorrect. Sick implies something not intentional. An understood and acceptable side effect to something which was purposely done would not be considered "sick". Getting infected by the flesh-eating bacteria at the site of injection would be "sick". Having an immune response to a foreign body, when the intention of the injection is to stimulate an immune response is not "sick".

The problem with using the term incorrectly is that it spawns misinformation surrounding the vaccine. People use the term "sick" and start thinking of the vaccination as being something which has greater negative impact than positive. The point of the vaccination is to prevent something which has a significant negative terminal state. The side effects from the vaccine, while they may incorporate some of the same characteristics of the flu, will never continue to multiply like the flu. It simply isn't the same thing.

We shouldn't dumb down our words to cater to the lowest common denominator. When we do that, the next lowest common denominator gets the wrong impression from them, starts repeating them incorrectly and popularizing them. this allows the misinformation to move up one more step in the stupid ladder... rinse and repeat.
teedubbya
12 years ago
Does chemo make you sick? It may be worth the sickness but in my view it does. It's not a matter of dumbing things down. It is just semantics.
teedubbya
12 years ago
And just to be clear again I get my flu shot and am not discouraging them. There is a lot of misinformation out there and I'm bit trying to contribute to that.

Some folks expose their kids to chicken pox on purpose. The side effect is they get sick. What's the distinction?

teedubbya
12 years ago
Oh and kid make no mistake I'd never question whether you are a good doctor or not. I'm sure you are.

DrafterX
12 years ago
who are you talking to..?? 😕
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