DrafterX
12 years ago

Stupud is as stupud does sir.

Brewha wrote:




🤣
victor809
12 years ago
TMCLT.... What does that have to do with what looks like an intentionally misleading article/survey?

... And for the record, the exchange doesn't appear to be a step towards single payer, as much as it's just a way to funnel $ and reduced risk to insurance companies (who clearly had the better lobbyists in this case).
Abrignac
12 years ago

Sorry there AB, not bitter at all. Jersey boys who live in Texas have an attitude that must be strange to everyone.

In truth, I feel that we both just want what is best for everyone. While we may not agree on the form of it. And yes, I think we need healthcare reform, and these are the painful first steps.

Btw, I have four grandkids, with another on the way.

Brewha wrote:



Congrats on the grandchildren. Best wishes for an uncomplicated pregnancy and deliver.














[sarcasm]

Hopefully, they will have better manors.
Abrignac
12 years ago

In all seriousness... I checked the Obamacare website. I don't see any place where I get actual "Obamacare Insurance". It's an exchange... If you like it or don't like it, that's fine. But it sounds to me like the individuals writing the questions to the poll, the people answering the poll and the author of the article, all have a very poor understanding of the concept of an exchange.

there is no "Obamacare Insurance". There are insurance plans administered by existing insurance providers. When you consider it from that angle, none of the questions posed in the article even make any sense.... It just makes the entire article seem silly.

victor809 wrote:




It's amazing how much we agree on.
HockeyDad
12 years ago

Congrats on the grandchildren. Best wishes for an uncomplicated pregnancy and deliver.

Hopefully, they will have better manors.

Abrignac wrote:




They won't. They'll be saddled with so much debt and taxation that the only manor they'll have is a shack under a bridge down by the river.
Brewha
12 years ago

Congrats on the grandchildren. Best wishes for an uncomplicated pregnancy and deliver.














[sarcasm]

Hopefully, they will have better manors.

Abrignac wrote:


Thanks AB. I hope they have manors too.
Brewha
12 years ago

They won't. They'll be saddled with so much debt and taxation that the only manor they'll have is a shack under a bridge down by the river.

HockeyDad wrote:


No, no. They will never move to France.
HockeyDad
12 years ago

No, no. They will never move to France.

Brewha wrote:




I apologize for France's tough immigration laws.
wheelrite
12 years ago

I apologize for France's tough immigration laws.

HockeyDad wrote:



yeah,
only those that face Mecca can immigrate there now,,,
rfenst
12 years ago

Yeah, Well I'll bet NOT ONE willingly GAVE IT AWAY like we are through this corrupt administration. And I've said it before and I'll say it again, the fact that you and others like you are good with these bastids passing a Law / Bill that admittedly NONE of them read says volumes about how you think things should get done....

What part of the Majority of Americans didn't want the ACA don't you understand? Why can't or won't they say how many people have tried or been successful in signing up? Because the numbers ARE and will remain incredibly small..

TMCTLT wrote:




If the numbers are small and will continue to be and the changes that have already been implemented remain, then it should be nothing to worry about, right?
rfenst
12 years ago

Yeah, Well I'll bet NOT ONE willingly GAVE IT AWAY like we are through this corrupt administration. And I've said it before and I'll say it again, the fact that you and others like you are good with these bastids passing a Law / Bill that admittedly NONE of them read says volumes about how you think things should get done....

What part of the Majority of Americans didn't want the ACA don't you understand? Why can't or won't they say how many people have tried or been successful in signing up? Because the numbers ARE and will remain incredibly small..

TMCTLT wrote:




If the numbers are small and will continue to be and the changes that have already been implemented remain, then it should be nothing to worry about, right?
HockeyDad
12 years ago

If the numbers are small and will continue to be and the changes that have already been implemented remain, then it should be nothing to worry about, right?

rfenst wrote:




I can't imagine any impacts from insurance companies being forced to insure the old, sick, and those with pre-existing conditions while the young and healthy refuse their mandated obligation to participate in the exchange that was promised to the insurance companies.

It was supposed to be an "exchange".
DrafterX
12 years ago
Obama lied... the coverage died... 🤐
HockeyDad
12 years ago
"Because of the tax credits that we are offering, and the competition between insurers, most people are going to be able to get better, comprehensive healthcare plans for the same price or even cheaper than projected." ~ 'B' Obama
ZRX1200
12 years ago
Democrats continue to spray teflon™ on Soetoro.
HockeyDad
12 years ago

I don't like obamacare, but this doesn't really make sense.

The exchange allows people to buy healthcare from existing insurance providers.... There is a tax break if they're poor... I don't really see how this will be immediately visible to physicians. If they work with the existing insurance provider, they'd continue to whether the patient bought the insurance through the exchange or elsewhere...

Just sounds a bit made up. I could be wrong though.

victor809 wrote:






http://health.usnews.com/health-news/hospital-of-tomorrow/articles/2013/10/30/top-hospitals-opt-out-of-obamacare 

Top Hospitals Opt Out of Obamacare

The Obama Administration has been claiming that insurance companies will be competing for your dollars under the Affordable Care Act, but apparently they haven't surveyed the nation's top hospitals.

Americans who sign up for Obamacare will be getting a big surprise if they expect to access premium health care that may have been previously covered under their personal policies. Most of the top hospitals will accept insurance from just one or two companies operating under Obamacare.

"This doesn't surprise me," said Gail Wilensky, Medicare advisor for the second Bush Administration and senior fellow for Project HOPE. "There has been an incredible amount of focus on the premium cost and subsidy, and precious little focus on what you get for your money."

Regulations driven by the Obama White House have indeed made insurance more affordable – if, like Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, you're looking only at price. But responding to Obamacare caps on premiums, many insurers will, in turn, simply offer top-tier doctors and hospitals far less cash for services rendered.

Watchdog.org looked at the top 18 hospitals nationwide as ranked by U.S. News and World Report for 2013-2014. We contacted each hospital to determine their contracts and talked to several insurance companies, as well.

The result of our investigation: Many top hospitals are simply opting out of Obamacare.

Chances are the individual plan you purchased outside Obamacare would allow you to go to these facilities. For example, fourth-ranked Cleveland Clinic accepts dozens of insurance plans if you buy one on your own. But go through Obamacare and you have just one choice: Medical Mutual of Ohio.

And that's not because their exchanges don't offer options. Both Ohio and California have a dozen insurance companies on their exchanges, yet two of the states' premier hospitals – Cleveland Clinic and Cedars-Sinai Medical Center – have only one company in their respective networks.

A few, like No. 1-rated Johns Hopkins in Maryland, are mandated under state law to accept all insurance companies. Other than that, the hospital with the largest number of insurance companies is University Hospitals Case Medical Center in Cleveland with just four. Fully 11 of the 18 hospitals had just one or two carriers.

"Many companies have selectively entered the exchanges because they are concerned that (the exchanges) will be dominated by risky, high-using populations who wanted insurance (before Obamacare) and couldn't afford it," said Wilsensky, who is also on the board of directors of UnitedHealth. "They are pressed to narrow their networks to stay within the premiums."

Consumers, too, will struggle with the new system. Many exchanges don't even list the insurance companies on their web sites. Some that do, like California, don't provide names of doctors or hospitals.

The price differences among hospitals "can be pretty profound," said Joe Mondy, spokesman for Cigna insurance. "When you are doing a cost comparison with doctors, you should look up the quality of the hospital as well. Hospital 'Y' could be great at pediatrics and not great at surgery."
dstieger
12 years ago

I can't imagine any impacts from insurance companies being forced to insure the old, sick, and those with pre-existing conditions while the young and healthy refuse their mandated obligation to participate in the exchange that was promised to the insurance companies.

It was supposed to be an "exchange".

HockeyDad wrote:




It is an "exchange".
We've exchanged a nearly criminally corrupt free-market for a divisive, governement-managed, costly 'solution'. Leave it to Washington to take a turd and make it smell worse. If you flush this, we've still got the old turd which gets a little smellier every day, too. I'm still waiting to hear a viable recommendation to clean the toilet. Screw it... close the door, hope nobody realizes that you dropped it, and go join the chorus of people complaining about the smell.
Brewha
12 years ago
Things will be in commotion for a while and changes are made. Then the dust will start to settle. And by this time next year Republicans will chanting that deregulation is the only way to save money and create jobs . . . .
HockeyDad
12 years ago
Well there you go.
victor809
12 years ago
So not every hospital accepts every insurance provider available through the exchange. Big whoop. I've got an HMO.... Probably not accepted at anything outside of their group of hospitals. You don't see me whining and complaining. If you want to go to a specific hospital, buy the necessary insurance accepted by that hospital. If it isn't offered in the exchange, don't buy through the exchange. If you can't afford to buy outside the exchange then you shouldn't be going to the top hospitals anyway. Those are reserved for real producers in the economy.
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