DrafterX
12 years ago
Make it personal then.... don't refuse service to a group.. If you look at a lot of small businesses you'll see a sign that says, 'We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone'..... do those signs not carry any weight.>?? 😕
victor809
12 years ago

Make it personal then.... don't refuse service to a group.. If you look at a lot of small businesses you'll see a sign that says, 'We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone'..... do those signs not carry any weight.>?? 😕

DrafterX wrote:



But we're not talking about a simple situation like that.

Sure... "He was drunk, I refused to serve him"... or "He got drunk and screwed my dog last time he was here, I'm not serving him again" works fine. But we're talking about the refusal to serve an individual because they are part of a group (women) without any prior interaction with them.
DrafterX
12 years ago
I would think they could come up with a reason other than 'she's gay' or whatever... just keep the reason personal like 'she smells' and they should be fine... 😟
tailgater
12 years ago

This is a very interesting idea.

On it's face, I would tend to agree with you. We should be allowed to freely allow or disallow customers for whatever reason we PERSONALLY have.

The problem arises, as with most problems, when people organize.

Let's say you don't trust gingers (really, who does... sick little soulless things), you don't want to serve them at your restaurant. Well, the local ginger family doesn't really want to give you business for being so anti-ginger so they're cool with that. But then the barber, the two markets, the seed store and auto repair store all realize that gingers are disgusting untrustworthy creatures as well and stop serving them. Suddenly, it's impossible for the ginger family to actually live in the town.

Now, that's fine... I mean, they're gingers...

But laws like that are in place to protect actual human beings (not gingers) from being overwhelmed when a majority decides to essentially deny them equality through a de-facto action. We read about these stories as only one-offs... oh, a single bakery somewhere, who cares... or a single diner somewhere, who cares. If it were only those one-off kooks doing it, then it would never be a problem. But we know through history that if it isn't illegal, people organize and it becomes a problem.

victor809 wrote:



So if you owned a kids clothing store, you saying it's OK that the government tells you you MUST service the known pedophile, even if he seems to take all day just browsing?

Or if you're the IRS, that you might be forced to investigate an occasional company who is not owned by a tea party member?


tailgater
12 years ago

I would think they could come up with a reason other than 'she's gay' or whatever... just keep the reason personal like 'she smells like fish' and they should be fine... 😟

DrafterX wrote:




Fixed it for ya.
victor809
12 years ago

So if you owned a kids clothing store, you saying it's OK that the government tells you you MUST service the known pedophile, even if he seems to take all day just browsing?

Or if you're the IRS, that you might be forced to investigate an occasional company who is not owned by a tea party member?


tailgater wrote:



That's the absolute opposite of what I said.
The guy hanging around a kids clothing store all day IS acting, and could be thrown out for doing exactly what you described. He's not being refused service preemptively.

tailgater
12 years ago

That's the absolute opposite of what I said.
The guy hanging around a kids clothing store all day IS acting, and could be thrown out for doing exactly what you described. He's not being refused service preemptively.

victor809 wrote:



How is he "acting"?
He's just browsing the kids clothing. Probably the little underwear section.
Maybe he has a niece or nephew.

I've said it before, but it bears repeating:
You can say a lot of bad things about pedophiles, but at least they drive slow through the school zones...



DrafterX
12 years ago
true... true... 😟
victor809
12 years ago

How is he "acting"?
He's just browsing the kids clothing. Probably the little underwear section.
Maybe he has a niece or nephew.

I've said it before, but it bears repeating:
You can say a lot of bad things about pedophiles, but at least they drive slow through the school zones...



tailgater wrote:



"standing" is an action... "browsing" is an action.

One can browse most stores. Most stores after you've browsed and fingered the merchandise for a full day will ask you to leave.
tailgater
12 years ago

"standing" is an action... "browsing" is an action.

One can browse most stores. Most stores after you've browsed and fingered the merchandise for a full day will ask you to leave.

victor809 wrote:



Of course.
My premise was that the store owner shouldn't have to wait for a "full day" before they escort you out.

But you said "fingered" and now I lost my train of thought.

victor809
12 years ago

Of course.
My premise was that the store owner shouldn't have to wait for a "full day" before they escort you out.

But you said "fingered" and now I lost my train of thought.

tailgater wrote:



Well they certainly should wait until the creepy person DOES something, otherwise they're just going on a hunch. If stores are refusing to serve people just because they think they might be creepy, TW will never be able to buy toys for his niece and nephews.
Brewha
12 years ago


But you said "fingered" and now I lost my train of thought.

tailgater wrote:


I agree. Some phrases are too ambiguous and distracting. It always wrecks my train of thought when someone says "goes both ways".
gryphonms
12 years ago
Interesting post. In Arizona I think this would actually come under the civil rights act. If I understand it correctly you cannot discriminate against any specific group of people.

On the other hand you can deny service to any individual if you can show good cause. Also, I imagine that a known pedofile would have a restraining order not allowing them to come within a certain distance of a kids clothing store.
wheelrite
12 years ago

I agree. I am sexually confused.

Brewha wrote:




oh my,,
jetblasted
12 years ago
I've had sex with lesbians . . .

😟
tailgater
12 years ago

I've had sex with lesbians . . .

😟

jetblasted wrote:



Ever think it contributed to their conversion?

Brewha
12 years ago

oh my,,

wheelrite wrote:


Still haven't joined AA Wheel?
JadeRose
12 years ago

The lesbian issue is a red-herring,

victor809 wrote:






Wouldn't it be more of a Red Snapper?
JadeRose
12 years ago

I've had sex with lesbians . . .

😟

jetblasted wrote:





Were they trapped in men's bodies?
DrafterX
12 years ago
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