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Burner02
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12 years ago

Associated Press - LITTLE ROCK, Ark. – "A civil liberties group filed suit Wednesday to block a new Arkansas law requiring voters to show photo identification at the polls before it is enforced for the first time state-wide in the primary election next month.

The American Civil Liberties Union of Arkansas filed the suit in Pulaski County court on behalf of four voters it says will be harmed by the law, which was approved by the Republican-led Legislature last year. Democratic Gov. Mike Beebe vetoed the measure, but lawmakers overrode his objection with simple majority votes in the House and Senate.

"The Arkansas Constitution specifically outlines the qualifications needed to vote. The state should be ashamed of making it harder for eligible voters from exercising this most fundamental right than our own Constitution requires," Rita Sklar, executive director if the ACLU of Arkansas, said in a statement."

You can only vote once if it really is you!

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Abrignac
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12 years ago

ID is needed to:
drive
purchase alcohol
purchase a firearm
rent an automobile
go to an "R" rated movie
purchase tobacco products
attend school
give blood
purchase or rent a home
buy cold medicine
gain employment
open a bank account
cash a check
apply for government benefits
get on an airplane
get a passport

I'm sure I left a few things out.

But, not to vote? Seems like a non-issue to me.

HockeyDad
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12 years ago

Abrignac wrote:

Minorities dont do any of those things. That is why this is voter suppression.

Abrignac
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12 years ago

Minorities dont do any of those things. That is why this is voter suppression.

HockeyDad wrote:

You really are on an island all by yourself....[sarcasm]

frankj1
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12 years ago

simple solution-
issue voter picture IDs for people who register to vote and do not have another one, like a drivers' license etc.

teedubbya
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12 years ago

I'd still like to see the problem that needs the solution. Otherwise it's a waste of time.

frankj1
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12 years ago

I'd still like to see the problem that needs the solution. Otherwise it's a waste of time.

teedubbya wrote:

well, in reality you are correct. just figured my idea would end this nonsense.

z6joker9
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12 years ago

Abrignac wrote:

It can get really complicated, but a lot of those things deal with differences between identification, authorization, and authentication. You also have to consider that you have a right to vote, but not get on an airplane or purchase alcohol.

Regardless of all of that, Voter ID reduces voter fraud at the cost of a few people not being able to vote that should have been allowed. The exact amounts of each are difficult to ascertain. What is certain is that it disproportionately affects minorities and the elderly. Some people believe it is better to allow a small amount of fraud so as not to restrict someone's right to vote, while others believe that fraud should be prevented even at the cost of restricting a few rights. Some people believe it's just a poll tax in disguise, and it doesn't matter what it would do for fraud, as it is unconstitutional.

I'm not advocating either position just trying to explain both sides. I don't really have strong feelings either way.

Abrignac
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12 years ago

Voting is overrated anyway. Very little difference between R's & D's. Everyone below the 1%'ers get screwed regardless of who's in control.

Homebrew
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12 years ago

#10

I live in Arkansass,
And there are a lot of people who don't have a picture ID. That said, I really don't have a problem with it. I have a picture ID, and a voter registration card. Besides, I am more worried about fraud, after the people have voted.

Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)🍺

cacman
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12 years ago

#11

If I have to show a photo ID to buy groceries from Costco, then you should damn well have to show ID to vote!

The whole "effects minorities and the elderly" is a crock of sh|t!!! These minorities have no problem getting an ID to collect welfare or use their EBT card. The elderly have no problem getting their prescription drugs (oxy & such) from their pharmacy, which also requires ID for certain medicines.

Of course you "have the right to vote", as longs as you meet the requirements to do so legally in this country - like being a freakin legal citizen. They used to close the bars on election days to prevent politicians from buying drinks & votes. Now they just buy votes with free cell phones, internet service, and welfare.

The ACLU should get its head out if its own azz, instead of being up someone else's.

Edited by user 12 years ago | Reason: Not specified

HockeyDad
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12 years ago

#12

I imagine a ballot in Arkansas just has pictures on it.

DadZilla3
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12 years ago

#13

cacman wrote:

This. 👍

HockeyDad
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12 years ago

#14

This. 👍

DadZilla3 wrote:

Sure. Let him do all the writing.

victor809
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12 years ago

#15

Logically, I have no problem requiring ID for people to vote.
From a class perspective, I prefer anything that keeps those with less than me from voting.

However, there is a belief in America that every (non felon) citizen has the right to vote (no, this is not what the founding fathers wanted, they only wanted property owners) numerous Amendments to the constitution have consistently broadened voting rights to ensure that all races, classes and sexes have the right to vote in america, provided they are american citizens. While logically, ID requirements are not what an average person considers a barrier, they are a non-zero cost. This is some level of barrier for those with no funds, no home address etc.

But hey... like I said, from a class perspective I prefer they don't get to vote.

I just don't like people deluding themselves into thinking this is anything other than that.

frankj1
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12 years ago

#16

I imagine a ballot in Arkansas just has pictures on it.

HockeyDad wrote:

you mean like the cash registers at McDonalds?

HockeyDad
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12 years ago

#17

you mean like the cash registers at McDonalds?

frankj1 wrote:

Yup. I don't know how they would do amendments and stuff. Maybe stick figures.

Buckwheat
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12 years ago

#18

This is a solution looking for a problem. In person voter fraud is pretty rare in this country.

http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2012/sep/19/naacp/-person-voter-fraud-very-rare-phenomenon/

All this law and others like it are doing is creating a political "talking point".

frankj1
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12 years ago

#19

Buckwheat wrote:

and perpetuating class warfare.

frankj1
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12 years ago

#20

Yup. I don't know how they would do amendments and stuff. Maybe stick figures.

HockeyDad wrote:

that's just so funny!

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