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gryphonms
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12 years ago

#41

TG, higher in the post I do ask is there an answer. I also state I do not see it. I ask for answers from anyone else that can see one. I would like a different answer, unfortunately I do not see one.

tailgater
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12 years ago

#42

TG, higher in the post I do ask is there an answer. I also state I do not see it. I ask for answers from anyone else that can see one. I would like a different answer, unfortunately I do not see one.

gryphonms wrote:

Yes there is.
As soon as we stop catering to the lowest common denominator we can right this ship.
We want to help those who need it. So we build programs like welfare and we mandate a federal minimum on wages.

But people want to abuse this. They know that they can "break even" by milking the system as opposed to putting time and effort into a job.
But unlike when the sweatshops and coal mines abuse the rules, we don't make the proper corrections.
We let our bleeding hearts wish them MORE charity. MORE freedom from being too put out.

Remember when algore promised welfare payments via the EBT card? He said "this way, you can receive your check even if you're on vacation".

And half the country thought that was reason enough to vote for him.

HockeyDad
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12 years ago

#43

I am in favor of raising the minimum wage to $15. You have to understand.....I like watching the fallout from unintended consequences.

Everyone making $9 -$15 an hour today just became minimum wage employees. They will give some of that money right back due to price increases. Everyone already making over $15 an hour will not get a raise and will be hit by the price increases. Many jobs in the $15 - $20 range will not look nearly as good as $15 for bagging groceries. Now those jobs need raises to compensate or face a lack of willing employees.

Significant job loss will occur in the area below $15 an hour today. That will increase welfare needs. If you're making minimum wage today and land one of those $15 an hour jobs, kudos to you. (Brewha)

The gap between middle class and lower class will be reduced at the expense of the middle class. The upper class will be just fine!

Gene363
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12 years ago

#44

Really?
Well JB, some day you'll meet a disabled vet, a person with birth defects, someone injured in an industrial accident and screwed by tort reform laws, or maybe just someone who is ill to work.

I understand your confusion though. Thursday's child really does have far to go.

Brewha wrote:

IMO, taking care of the sick and infirm is not welfare, it is the responsibility of society. Veterans are another case, they served our country, the very least we can do is try to make them whole again, or as close as is reasonably possible.

The able bodies slackers that live off society shouldn't be getting jack. At best, basic food products like flour, sugar, butter, etc.

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victor809
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12 years ago

#45

This is getting off track. The debate of this post is not minimum wage or well fare. It is is there an answer to the following question below. Presently many companies employee wages are subsidised by well fare, the government wants to raise minimum wage which would eliminate this subsidization. Is there a better answer? If there is I do not see it. It is unrealistic to think this situation will be self correcting, we have lost our manufacturing base and have moved to a service based economy. There are many good hard working people stuck in these poor paying service jobs. If you see an answer to this problem great, tell me. If not the question becomes would you rather see minimum wage raised or continue paying well fare to subsidize corporate America?

gryphonms wrote:

How can you possibly not see a clear third option?

Get rid of minimum wage and welfare.

People can work for a price they are worth. If that price is below the money it takes to keep them alive, they die in the street.

victor809
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12 years ago

#46

The gap between middle class and lower class will be reduced at the expense of the middle class. The upper class will be just fine!

HockeyDad wrote:

I need to get a little higher up the ladder before we pull this little "experiment" off, if you please. I certainly don't want to get caught a rung too low.

tailgater
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12 years ago

#47

victor809 wrote:

And we can pay the street corpse remover $15/hour.

Job Creation.

Brilliant!

tailgater
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12 years ago

#48

I certainly don't want to get caught a rung too low.

victor809 wrote:

That happened to me once in college...

victor809
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12 years ago

#49

And we can pay the street corpse remover $15/hour.

Job Creation.

Brilliant!

tailgater wrote:

Only if he performs $15 worth of work. Probably should just pay him on a "per corpse" basis, so the more efficient corpse removers would be incentivized.

BuckyB93
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12 years ago

#50

And we can pay the street corpse remover $15/hour.

Job Creation.

Brilliant!

tailgater wrote:

And it's a "shovel ready" project to boot.

gryphonms
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12 years ago

#51

Victor, while that is an option the result would be an armed insurrection. Are you be prepared to kill or be killed?

DrafterX
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12 years ago

#52

burial plots cost money which they don't have..... food for wolves... 😟

HockeyDad
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12 years ago

#53

Only if he performs $15 worth of work. Probably should just pay him on a "per corpse" basis, so the more efficient corpse removers would be incentivized.

victor809 wrote:

Hire them as a contractor and give them a 1099 at the end of the year.

HockeyDad
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12 years ago

#54

Victor, while that is an option the result would be an armed insurrection. Are you be prepared to kill or be killed?

gryphonms wrote:

We'll just extend "American Idol" to a 52 week season. Insurrection aborted.

HockeyDad
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12 years ago

#55

burial plots cost money which they don't have..... food for wolves... 😟

DrafterX wrote:

The wealthy could then open wolf hunting clubs like fox hunting in olde England.

gryphonms
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12 years ago

#56

HD, LMAO! To say you have a droll sense of humor is an understatement.

victor809
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12 years ago

#57

Victor, while that is an option the result would be an armed insurrection. Are you be prepared to kill or be killed?

gryphonms wrote:

dude. Tell a bunch of teapartiers that they're illegal immigrants and trying to take their jobs.... suddenly a bunch of "surprising" mass shootings in WalMart will take care of things.

Hypothetically speaking of course.

Gene363
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12 years ago

#58

And we can pay the street corpse remover $15/hour.

Job Creation.

Brilliant!

tailgater wrote:

If you want an omelet, you must break some eggs.

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DrafterX
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12 years ago

#59

a waffle would be good to please.... 😟

DrMaddVibe
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12 years ago

#60

What would be reasonable is to have people educate themselves to the point that they understand we need a minimum wage to protect people from sweatshops and corporate interests from driving wages unfairly low.

Brewha wrote:

Oh look...now he wants to fire the unions!!!

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