Brewha
12 years ago

So you suggest that a myopic and cynical education is reasonable?


tailgater wrote:


No – I am not suggesting church school.
Brewha
12 years ago

There's no such thing as "unfairly low". That is just a touchy-feely concept...

HockeyDad wrote:


You’ve been talking to Victor too much . . .
stogiefan
12 years ago

This is getting off track. The debate of this post is not minimum wage or well fare. It is is there an answer to the following question below. Presently many companies employee wages are subsidised by well fare, the government wants to raise minimum wage which would eliminate this subsidization. Is there a better answer? If there is I do not see it. It is unrealistic to think this situation will be self correcting, we have lost our manufacturing base and have moved to a service based economy. There are many good hard working people stuck in these poor paying service jobs. If you see an answer to this problem great, tell me. If not the question becomes would you rather see minimum wage raised or continue paying well fare to subsidize corporate America?

gryphonms wrote:



There will always be need for subsidizing welfare for minimum wage even if the minimum wage goes up to $15-$20/hr. For one many EE's simply aren't employable at that high of a wage. An employer would literally lose money paying certain low skill workers that much money. They will be out of a job and on welfare. Also when you raise the cost of labor with the stroke of a pen you also offset the supply and demand aspect of labor. Perhaps to afford the new wages employers will begin raising the price of their products/services which in turn offsets the effect of the minimum wage increase. Therefore that worker is no better off prior to the increase and will still need gov't assistance.
tailgater
12 years ago

No – I am not suggesting church school.

Brewha wrote:



Touche.

Brewha
12 years ago


IMO, taking care of the sick and infirm is not welfare, it is the responsibility of society. Veterans are another case, they served our country, the very least we can do is try to make them whole again, or as close as is reasonably possible.

The able bodies slackers that live off society shouldn't be getting jack. At best, basic food products like flour, sugar, butter, etc.

Gene363 wrote:


Why does the conservative lexicon define welfare as money given to people who never deserved it? I mean I understand that a lot of people rip off the system – not to the extent of white collar crime - but still it’s a lot of money. However to look at someone truly in need and deserving of aid, and say “that’s not welfare” is just mudding the waters . . .
tailgater
12 years ago

You’ve been talking to Victor too much . . .

Brewha wrote:



Some say even a little is too much.
tailgater
12 years ago

Why does the conservative lexicon define welfare as money given to people who never deserved it? I mean I understand that a lot of people rip off the system – not to the extent of white collar crime - but still it’s a lot of money. However to look at someone truly in need and deserving of aid, and say “that’s not welfare” is just mudding the waters . . .

Brewha wrote:



"not to the extent of white collar crime"???

Please explain.

White collar crime usually rips off the corporation, not the tax paying public.

DrafterX
12 years ago
Is white collar crime like getting 9 Obama-phones at a time..?? 😕
HockeyDad
12 years ago

Why does the conservative lexicon define welfare as money given to people who never deserved it? I mean I understand that a lot of people rip off the system

Brewha wrote:




You answered your own question. Now get a job.
Brewha
12 years ago

"not to the extent of white collar crime"???

Please explain.

White collar crime usually rips off the corporation, not the tax paying public.

tailgater wrote:


Just pointing to the amounts involved. From Enron to Madoff there is some real coin diapering from the pockets of working folk. And don’t even get me started on Goldmen Sachs . . . .
Brewha
12 years ago

You answered your own question. Now get a job.

HockeyDad wrote:


HD, I already have a job – and I work like a dog (no offence Drafter).
MACS
12 years ago

Yes. Educate the masses.

Buckwheat wrote:



They'll burn the white house down!! Don't you listen to Queensryche?

They've given me a mission
I don't really know the game yet
I'm bent on submission
Religion is to blame
I'm the new messiah
Death Angel with a gun
Dangerous in my silence
Deadly to my cause

Speak to me the pain you feel
Speak the word
The word is all of us

I've given my life to become what I am
To preach the new beginning
To make you understand
To reach some point of order
Utopia in mind, you've got to learn
To sacrifice, to leave what's now behind

Speak to me the pain you feel
Speak the word
The word is all of us
Speak the word
The word is all of us

Seven years of power
The corporation claw
The rich control the government, the media the law
To make some kind of difference
Then everyone must know
Eradicate the fascists, revolution will grow

The system we learn says we're equal under law
But the streets are reality, the weak and poor will fall
Let's tip the power balance and tear down their crown
Educate the masses, We'll burn the White House down

Speak to me the pain you feel
Speak to me the pain you feel
Speak the word (Revolution)
The word is all of us
Speak the word (Revolution)
The word is all of us
Speak the word
The word is all of us
Speak the Word
The word is all of us

SPEAK!!
victor809
12 years ago

Just pointing to the amounts involved. From Enron to Madoff there is some real coin diapering from the pockets of working folk. And don’t even get me started on Goldmen Sachs . . . .

Brewha wrote:



While I appreciate that white collar... malfeasance, or misbehavior... might be a significant amount of money. It's a bit of a stretch to claim that it's being taken from the pockets of the working folk. I mean... if they had that much money, they wouldn't be working folk.
MACS
12 years ago

Most of em.

sd72 wrote:



HA! beat me to it!
HockeyDad
12 years ago

While I appreciate that white collar... malfeasance, or misbehavior... might be a significant amount of money. It's a bit of a stretch to claim that it's being taken from the pockets of the working folk. I mean... if they had that much money, they wouldn't be working folk.

victor809 wrote:




Why would white collar criminals rob from peasants.
DrafterX
12 years ago

Why would white collar criminals rob from peasants.

HockeyDad wrote:




:-k
uhh.... how do we classify evangelists..??? 🤔
HockeyDad
12 years ago

:-k
uhh.... how do we classify evangelists..??? 🤔

DrafterX wrote:




Black collar
DrafterX
12 years ago
Brewha
12 years ago

:-k
uhh.... how do we classify evangelists..??? 🤔

DrafterX wrote:


I think the Catholics got rid of the white collars . . . .
DrafterX
12 years ago

I think the Catholics got rid of the white collars . . . .

Brewha wrote:




does Bloody know about this..?? 😕
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