victor809
12 years ago

I think the Catholics got rid of the white collars . . . .

Brewha wrote:



I thought they were keeping them... something about black showing **** too easily.
gryphonms
12 years ago
I am not so sure there would be as large of a cost increase due to raising minimum wage. Let's look at a McDonald's employee as an example. Say on average an employee produces 15 sales an hour and the average sale is $15.00. If their wage was increased $7.50 an hour the employers cost would be about $9.35 per hour. This would equate to about $.64 per meal. This would be a price increase of about 4%. In this case I do not think increasing a $15.00 meal by $.64 would have any effect on business. Also a 4% increase is not significant. I would prefer this over subsidizing businesses that I do not patronize.
HockeyDad
12 years ago

I am not so sure there would be as large of a cost increase due to raising minimum wage. Let's look at a McDonald's employee as an example. Say on average an employee produces 15 sales an hour and the average sale is $15.00. If their wage was increased $7.50 an hour the employers cost would be about $9.35 per hour. This would equate to about $.64 per meal. This would be a price increase of about 4%. In this case I do not think increasing a $15.00 meal by $.64 would have any effect on business. Also a 4% increase is not significant. I would prefer this over subsidizing businesses that I do not patronize.

gryphonms wrote:



The guy cooking fries and the guy cooking burgers produces no sales. The whole scenario is bogus. What you need to determine is the breakdown of the business costs.

Real estate, utilities, raw materials, advertising, labor, etc.

Once you know what percentage of your overall cost is labor, then you need to figure out what portion of that is minimum wage labor. That component cost will double. Then you can run the new cost model and make price adjustments.

Now to test the 4% McDonalds price increase theory.......If McDonalds' cost fir minimum wage labor was 4% of their overall cost and that element doubled due to a minimum wage increase, they may elect to pass on a 4% price increase. Minimum wage labor being 4% of McDonalds' costs sounds a bit low.

In the grand scheme of things, the upper class do not shop at McDonalds so the lower class and middle class will absorb the cost increase.
victor809
12 years ago

I am not so sure there would be as large of a cost increase due to raising minimum wage. Let's look at a McDonald's employee as an example. Say on average an employee produces 15 sales an hour and the average sale is $15.00. If their wage was increased $7.50 an hour the employers cost would be about $9.35 per hour. This would equate to about $.64 per meal. This would be a price increase of about 4%. In this case I do not think increasing a $15.00 meal by $.64 would have any effect on business. Also a 4% increase is not significant. I would prefer this over subsidizing businesses that I do not patronize.

gryphonms wrote:



Your math is sound, and came up with a similar number to a Forbes article I found.

However, the Forbes article then went on to say that due to franchising.. etc etc etc the price increase will not happen that way.

My completely uneducated guess would be that the high volume McD's would try to find a way to eliminate the increased labor costs by cutting down on staffing (in other words, your hypothetical employee above has to put out 30 sales an hour). But the low-volume McD's won't be able to absorb that increased cost. The franchises on the margin will go out of business (not a real crisis... it's a mcDs)
victor809
12 years ago

The guy cooking fries and the guy cooking burgers produces no sales. The whole scenario is bogus. What you need to determine is the breakdown of the business costs.

HockeyDad wrote:



Not completely bogus. If you have 4 minimum wage slobs behind the counter (one taking orders, one doing fries, one making burgers and one assembling orders) and you sell 60 meals an hour, your productivity is 15/man-hour. A labor increase will have a direct imact on those unit costs. It works fine for back-of-the-napkin work.
teedubbya
12 years ago
It would provide a good chance to pass on other costs (like rising beef costs) and blame it on the government mandated minimum wage. Folks would buy it hook line and sinker. Win-Win
HockeyDad
12 years ago
Under that scenario, an order per minute steady for 8 hours is not realistic.
gryphonms
12 years ago
HD, I am accounting for all non management employees. Yes the people at the register produce the sale, but you can come up with an average based on a total number of non management employees. My premise is not bogus.
victor809
12 years ago

Under that scenario, an order per minute steady for 8 hours is not realistic.

HockeyDad wrote:



I dunno.
You could have two people at registers for a faster rate. Or just lower the rate a little. The estimated numbers may be off, but he's going the right direction. Maybe it'd turn out to be 0.8 instead of 0.63$... either way the price increase probably isn't going to be allowed by the home office anyway. The individual franchises will have to decide how to absorb the cost.

On a completely unrelated note, it may be a good time to look at investing in companies making these:
http://global.networldalliance.com/downloads/white_papers/EMN8_MG_UPDATE_01_09.pdf 
teedubbya
12 years ago

I dunno.
You could have two people at registers for a faster rate. Or just lower the rate a little. The estimated numbers may be off, but he's going the right direction. Maybe it'd turn out to be 0.8 instead of 0.63$... either way the price increase probably isn't going to be allowed by the home office anyway. The individual franchises will have to decide how to absorb the cost.

On a completely unrelated note, it may be a good time to look at investing in companies making these:
http://global.networldalliance.com/downloads/white_papers/EMN8_MG_UPDATE_01_09.pdf 

victor809 wrote:




Could be obsolete immediately. Smart phones. Although they are pretty common at box offices.
DrMaddVibe
12 years ago

I dunno.
You could have two people at registers for a faster rate. Or just lower the rate a little. The estimated numbers may be off, but he's going the right direction. Maybe it'd turn out to be 0.8 instead of 0.63$... either way the price increase probably isn't going to be allowed by the home office anyway. The individual franchises will have to decide how to absorb the cost.

On a completely unrelated note, it may be a good time to look at investing in companies making these:
http://global.networldalliance.com/downloads/white_papers/EMN8_MG_UPDATE_01_09.pdf 

victor809 wrote:




OR...


http://www.cigarbid.com/FORUM/c/posts/639760/Minimum-Wage-vs-Earning-a-Living-Wage 


OH NOES!!![frypan] [frypan] [frypan]
gryphonms
12 years ago
So for Joe's hamburgers the incremental cost to maintain gross profit margin would be small. But for a McDonalds the only way to maintain gross profit margin is to increase productivity. Then my prmise is inaccurate in many cases. I doubt productivity could be raised to the point of mitigating lost revenue due to increased wages.
tailgater
12 years ago
Forget McDonalds.

You're a business owner and 30% of your payroll is minimum wage employees.

This cost doubles with no corresponding increase in productivity.

Do you keep your price the same?


DrafterX
12 years ago
not and stay in business... 🤐
tailgater
12 years ago
I think most can survive without closing their doors.
But increasing costs will impact profits.
Which affects investment into the business.
And lessens the take home pay for the owners.

So the guy who sacrificed and built the business that employs dozens of people has to take a hit.
While the person with no marketable skills gets to double their income.
teedubbya
12 years ago
well then there really is only one solution

landmines
victor809
12 years ago
... Sadly, due to increased cost of labor, landmine prices have risen too high to make them a viable solution any longer.

HockeyDad
12 years ago
If raising the minimum wage to $15 only increases the cost of a McDonald's meal by .64 cents, why aren't we discussing raising the minimum wage to $22. That would only be like $1.28 per meal.

Every business will be affected differently based on the percentage of their overall cost that is minimum wage labor.

Every business will be affected based on their ability to raise prices to offset the cost increase.

Sometimes you just have to pass it before you can know what's in it. I'm in favor of a $15 minimum wage because the fallout from unintended and intended consequences will definitely create investing events.
tailgater
12 years ago

... Sadly, due to increased cost of labor, landmine prices have risen too high to make them a viable solution any longer.

victor809 wrote:



Retail is for suckas!
Brewha
12 years ago

... Sadly, due to increased cost of labor, landmine prices have risen too high to make them a viable solution any longer.

victor809 wrote:


So we should reduce foot soldier pay to minimum wage, sos we can afford them again?
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