gryphonms
12 years ago
This has me in a quandary. On 1 side I feel income should be based on supply and demand. Yet I also feel that taxpayer money should not help subsidize wages for a companies employees through welfare.
DrafterX
12 years ago
it's very simple... minimum was never intended to support anyone.. people are suppose to advance themselves not flip burgers for the rest of their lives.. 😟
tailgater
12 years ago

This has me in a quandary. On 1 side I feel income should be based on supply and demand. Yet I also feel that taxpayer money should not help subsidize wages for a companies employees through welfare.

gryphonms wrote:





Supply and demand is so 20th century.

Buckwheat
12 years ago
Yes. Educate the masses.
Gene363
12 years ago

Eliminate the minimum wage law

Stop the flood of low income workers coming across our southern border.

Education is great, but we need to promote job training for technicians, mechanics, repairmen etc. Not everyone needs to go to college and even fewer should go into debt to get a degree.

Education should make it clear flipping burgers is a dead end job, you cannot live or have a family at a minimum wage job.

victor809
12 years ago
Well, seattle passed a $15/hr minimum wage law, phasing the increases in over 3-7 years. That should be interesting. That means even the lowest grade of work in our country, performed by individuals with no skill, no drive, and probably doing it incorrectly... will pay 30k a year at full time.

When I went to grad school, I spent years earning 20k as a lab rat... and in academia the first jobs one can expect after getting a PhD only earn 40-45k. That's after 8-10 years post highschool.

Lets do some math.
Drop out of high school at 16, get a job at McDs earning 30k/year. By age 30 your lifetime earnings are $420k.
Finish High School (earnings 0$ for 2 years), go to college (earnings -$25k for 4 years), go to graduate school (earnings +20k for 6 years) Post Doc 2 years (+45k for 2 years). By age 30 your lifetime earnings are $130k.

At age 30, a PhD has close to a $100k deficit they need to make up on the absolute lowest rung of the workforce. And that's not even taking into account the costs of carrying the college debt.
victor809
12 years ago
I just don't get how people can't see that this would have a negative impact on kid's educational aspirations. Especially considering they're making the decision at ages 16-18....
Buckwheat
12 years ago


Education is great, but we need to promote job training for technicians, mechanics, repairmen etc. Not everyone needs to go to college and even fewer should go into debt to get a degree.

Education should make it clear flipping burgers is a dead end job, you cannot live or have a family at a minimum wage job.

Gene363 wrote:



+1 🇨🇮
stogiemonger
12 years ago
This issue will likely be debated forever, due to ignorance of simple economic principles. I see no end in sight.
victor809
12 years ago

This issue will likely be debated forever, due to ignorance of simple economic principles. I see no end in sight.

stogiemonger wrote:



I suppose an education would have helped people understand economic principles.
wheelrite
12 years ago

I am a catcher ,,,

victor809 wrote:




oh my wheel,,
victor809
12 years ago

I can't add anything valuable to an adult discussion so I try to bring the level down to gay jokes,,

wheelrite wrote:




oh my.
kombat96
12 years ago

it's very simple... minimum was never intended to support anyone.. people are suppose to advance themselves not flip burgers for the rest of their lives.. 😟

DrafterX wrote:




True to a point. But now days those are the only jobs..ie service industry and those are historically low wage jobs. I've got a degree and followed the law and I'm a decent person but I've found myself in a service job.

Education is hit or miss cause all these colleges are pumping ppl out the jobs are lowering wages.
My fiance was laid off from a very nice paralegal job. Now she's fighting to get a job, and she's got two choices. 1 take a job that starts out at a lot less or two dumb down her resume and look like she has minimal experience to look just like those being pumped out of college. Either way she's making nearly half of what she once was.

Don't think education is the total answer.

Be proud of those who come to work daily at those minimum wage jobs just to make a living.

There are good ppl out there trying.
Abrignac
12 years ago

True to a point. But now days those are the only jobs..ie service industry and those are historically low wage jobs. I've got a degree and followed the law and I'm a decent person but I've found myself in a service job.

Education is hit or miss cause all these colleges are pumping ppl out the jobs are lowering wages.
My fiance was laid off from a very nice paralegal job. Now she's fighting to get a job, and she's got two choices. 1 take a job that starts out at a lot less or two dumb down her resume and look like she has minimal experience to look just like those being pumped out of college. Either way she's making nearly half of what she once was.

Don't think education is the total answer.

Be proud of those who come to work daily at those minimum wage jobs just to make a living.

There are good ppl out there trying.

kombat96 wrote:



Sadly, you may want to consider relocating. If the economy is stagnant where you're at you really seem to have only two choices.
marc palanzo
12 years ago
The problem isn't people working for minimun wage. In fact, they deserve the help in many cases.

They real problem are the ones who receive public assistance but aren't held accountable to make a contribution to society.
Abrignac
12 years ago
Just did some quick internet research. According to some it seems Detroit's unemployment has dropped from 16% to 9% give or take a few factions of a point. You may want to consider retraining in a different carer path.
Mr Roso
12 years ago
There's not a simple answer. You have to fix the system, not just try to patch it up by raising the minimum wage.
kombat96
12 years ago

Just did some quick internet research. According to some it seems Detroit's unemployment has dropped from 16% to 9% give or take a few factions of a point. You may want to consider retraining in a different carer path.

Abrignac wrote:


Don't trust #'s or reports. They can be manipulated either way.

Leaving is very difficult . Some areas are tired of ppl coming from other areas to take local jobs. And now I'm in a place with no family or friends to lean on.


Like someone said. The main issue is ppl living on welfare and never working or hasn't had a job in 10-12 years. Then they find **** doctors who fudge medical illnesses so they can get a disability claim.

I'd rather be where I'm at and fight paycheck to paycheck and keep my head held high then to give up and let others pay for my existence .
sd72
12 years ago
The nations decrease in unemployment is from people's claims running out. If you're not on unemployment, how would the gov know you're not working? People who receive assistance are not considered unemployed. National unemployment has been as low as 3% while welfare, ssd, ect ect has stayed above 10%.

Sometimes the numbers do lie.
wheelrite
12 years ago

wheel is hot.

victor809 wrote:




stop it !! Allison...


wheel,,
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