Is there a reasonable solution to the minimum wage/welfare issue? · Page 2

Most probably would.... but I think the comments were directed more at people like my sister-in-law that chose to sit on her ass the rest of her life instead of having a couple vertebrae fixed in her neck... My wife had the same surgery and was back to work in less than a month.... the SIL decided to play it out and she won in her eyes... 😟

rfenst
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12 years ago

#23

that's kind of what I was getting at the other day... If minimum wage goes up everyone across the board should get a raise.. a couple more dollars an hour should mean you're more valuable. now all of a sudden the new guy is gonna make the same as the guy that's got 10 years in unless the employer can afford to bump everyone by a percentage... 😟

DrafterX wrote:

It is called wage inflation.

stogiefan
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12 years ago

#24

So everyone on disability is a liar and/or a leech that should be ashamed at their very existence?

SammyETN wrote:

No but to deny that widespread fraud exists would be to deny reality. Think about it. The number of disability claims are at record highs but the labor force is among the lowest its been in years. That doesn't add up. Also the types of jobs widely available today are less physically demanding service jobs as opposed to harder labor jobs that had a larger share of the job market.

rfenst
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12 years ago

#25

DrafterX wrote:

So, narc her out, bro!

DrafterX
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12 years ago

#26

🤣

gryphonms
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12 years ago

#27

I think the varied opinions show that this is s real problem. Yes wellfare was never intended to become a wage supplement but the sad reality is that it is. Yes education should improve your financial circumstance but the sad reality is that it may not. Yes if you are willing to work hard and learn you should advance but the sad reality is you may not. I think this problem has multiple dimensions. But 1 in particular stands out to me. We have moved from a manufacturing based economy to a service based economy thereby lowering the average workers wage to a minimum. I feel that any person willing to work hard, work fulltime, and work to improve themselves should be able to live a decent life.

For this conversation I am not including the lazy oxygen wasters. They deserve nothing.

tailgater
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12 years ago

#28

I just realized I say "at the same time" way to much.

SammyETN wrote:

I thought you were multi-tasking.

Brewha
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12 years ago

#29

What would be reasonable is to have people educate themselves to the point that they understand we need a minimum wage to protect people from sweatshops and corporate interests from driving wages unfairly low.

jetblasted
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12 years ago

#30

Why is there even welfare to begin with ?

Brewha
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12 years ago

#31

Why is there even welfare to begin with ?

jetblasted wrote:

Really?
Well JB, some day you'll meet a disabled vet, a person with birth defects, someone injured in an industrial accident and screwed by tort reform laws, or maybe just someone who is ill to work.

I understand your confusion though. Thursday's child really does have far to go.

DrafterX
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12 years ago

#32

poor CROS.... 😞

tailgater
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12 years ago

#33

Brewha wrote:

So you suggest that a myopic and cynical education is reasonable?

HockeyDad
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12 years ago

#34

Brewha wrote:

There's no such thing as "unfairly low". That is just a touchy-feely concept. Can we drive the wages fairly low and that would pass your sniff test.

Edited by user 12 years ago | Reason: Not specified

tailgater
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12 years ago

#35

Raising the minimum wage for all employees regardless of their contribution is akin to giving all the kids trophy's in little league and soccer.
People have to learn that merely showing up is not good enough.

ZRX1200
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12 years ago

#36

You pay peanuts, you get monkeys.

Unfortunately you can't scientifically mandate monkeys into model employees, and the work ethic of many people doesn't entice employers to allow OTJ training. And the FEDS have severely restricted intern rules.

I don't like minimum wage being there, and I despise demoncrats using it for a political football because they need a distraction away from the schitty economy.

gryphonms
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12 years ago

#37

This is getting off track. The debate of this post is not minimum wage or well fare. It is is there an answer to the following question below. Presently many companies employee wages are subsidised by well fare, the government wants to raise minimum wage which would eliminate this subsidization. Is there a better answer? If there is I do not see it. It is unrealistic to think this situation will be self correcting, we have lost our manufacturing base and have moved to a service based economy. There are many good hard working people stuck in these poor paying service jobs. If you see an answer to this problem great, tell me. If not the question becomes would you rather see minimum wage raised or continue paying well fare to subsidize corporate America?

tailgater
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12 years ago

#38

gryphonms wrote:

So we only get two choices?
No means to think outside the box and come to a solution, rather than a talking point for our politicians?

No wonder we're in the mess we're in.

tailgater
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12 years ago

#39

I'd like to somehow mandate responsibility.

With responsibility, a person down on their luck would use min wage and/or welfare as a stop gap rather than a career.
Then the programs could be used for their intended purpose.

DrafterX
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12 years ago

#40

, the government wants to raise minimum wage which would eliminate this subsidization. ?

gryphonms wrote:

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The government wants to raise minimum wage so the workers can purchase Obamacare...... 🤐

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