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victor809
Herf-A-Holic

11 years ago

#21

It IS a problem. I'm not saying it's causing us to go broke, but they are a drain on an already drained system.

I, too, agree with Gryphon. It has to be approached from more angles than just putting up a wall. But to stick your head in the sand and say it's a non-issue is just plain retarded. All due respect to retards.

MACS wrote:

It's a drain on the system. But how much?

Until you can say how much it's draining the system, you can't really say it is an issue. I mean... if the drain on our already drained system comes out to $20/year.... you going to say it's an issue? 🙂

Illegal Immigration gets way more attention than it deserves.... and I think TW is right in his assessment that part of the added attention it gets is because it's a PC outlet for subtle (or not-so-subtly) racism.

DrafterX
Herf-A-Holic

11 years ago

#22

I think the part of the illegal immigration thing you are missing is the 'illegal' part... 😟

or should we just start calling it something else to be politically correct and stuff... 🤔

Edited by user 11 years ago | Reason: Not specified

DrafterX
Herf-A-Holic

11 years ago

#23

I mean hell... a kid walks into a store and steals a handful of cigars.. in the grand scheme of things he didn't really hurt anything did he..?? let's just not shoot him next time then... 🤐 🤐

MACS
Herf-A-Holic

11 years ago

#24

victor809 wrote:

Once again, bullsh!t. Racism? Because I want to keep illegal immigrants out of my country? Have you seen Mexico's immigration laws?

And "racism" gets thrown around like it's cool. I do not believe any one race is superior to another. Many people say racist when what they mean is prejudiced.

And as far as being a minority... I lived in the Philippines for 3+ years. Didn't bother me at all. Lived in Greece for a year. Didn't bother me there, either (Yes, I understand Greeks are 'white' but I was a foreigner). But in THIS country, where many minorities decry their treatment by 'the establishment' (some of it well deserved, though before our time) it would be a source of concern.

MACS
Herf-A-Holic

11 years ago

#25

Have you looked at the quota numbers per country? Maybe you should unblow the horn.

Compare the number of slots verses the number of people that would love to fill those slots. Proximity alone drives some of that.

teedubbya wrote:

Hmmmmm... wonder why the quota is small? Maybe to offset illegal immigration? Either way, we as a country have a right to decide who comes and goes. Period.

teedubbya
Herf-A-Holic

11 years ago

#26

Hmmmmm... wonder why the quota is small? Maybe to offset illegal immigration? Either way, we as a country have a right to decide who comes and goes. Period.

MACS wrote:

We do and I think we should loosen that number. It has consequences. But that is besides the point. See my points 1 and 2.

The number is small because we don't want a bunch of mexicans.... or the number is small in proportion because so many mexicans want to be americans for a whole lot of very good reasons.

merica

Edited by user 11 years ago | Reason: Not specified

victor809
Herf-A-Holic

11 years ago

#27

MACS wrote:

MACS, I'm not looking at your personal motivations, but your head is just as far in the sand as you accuse others to be if you think racism isn't a part of the illegal immigration outcries. Everyone's motivation is different, some probably are just really really really upset that someone is breaking the law. Others are really really really upset that it's brown people breaking the law.

Regarding the minority thing... great. Sounds like we should encourage becoming a minority so we can have a great time decrying our treatment by "the establishment". You missed my point entirely (and perhaps because it didn't apply directly to you)... In the current state of the USA, as it exists right now, being a minority SHOULD NOT in any way shape or form have a negative impact on your life or change your interactions with the other human beings in any way. This is what the US strives for. This is what all the conservatives claim we have achieved (you've heard the, "we have a black president, now we can get rid of all affirmative action" argument, I'm sure). IF we have achieved this, then whites becoming the minority shouldn't impact us at all. We shouldn't care... because it doesn't matter.

The point I was trying to make (and yes, I'm long winded and boring)... is that there are people trying to have their cake and eat it too... they're arguing that there's no disadvantage to being a minority at all... but then using the idea of "whites becoming the minority" as a source of fear.

victor809
Herf-A-Holic

11 years ago

#28

I think the part of the illegal immigration thing you are missing is the 'illegal' part... 😟

DrafterX wrote:

There are a lot of illegal things you and I do... for some reason private citizens don't seem to want to shoot us for doing them.

MACS
Herf-A-Holic

11 years ago

#29

I'm not discounting that some people (a small minority, IMO) may have prejudicial motivations in not wanting immigrants from Mexico... but who the eff, in their right mind, would want people coming here illegally?

I don't want any people coming here illegally.

victor809
Herf-A-Holic

11 years ago

#30

MACS wrote:

There are a lot of illegal things people don't want.

People don't want to be mugged. Is it worth stationing a police officer at every single corner 24hrs a day to make sure it never happens?

My point isn't its illegality, or that there is some negative consequence. It's that people seem to get really really really upset about something which is likely not as big a problem as they think.

MACS
Herf-A-Holic

11 years ago

#31

victor809 wrote:

If you don't think 11.5 MILLION illegal immigrants (number from your own post, reported by DHS, so likely higher) is a problem, then I don't know where to begin...

teedubbya
Herf-A-Holic

11 years ago

#32

I don't want anyone here illegally but accept the fact some number will always exist and to some whatever that number is heir 1000 or 11 million they will be the cause of our problems. It's a convenience thing.

I want the quota lifted dramatically and an easier path to legal for those NOT here illegally but those that want to come here legally. We won't do that.

For a bunch of folks that hate PC we sure can get PC about things when it serves us. The USA has never particularly liked Mexicans and doesn't want them here. They are inconvenient neighbors we wish were higher scale. We don't want the riff raff here legally or illegally. Keeping that number low and making it hard to get here legally makes it easier to deny this. It's our policy. We are already scared of a minority take over. Why would we accelerate that?

We barely tolerate the texans.

teedubbya
Herf-A-Holic

11 years ago

#33

I have nothing against (insert race or ethnicity here) and it's just a coincidence I and other folks like me left my neighborhood en mass when they started moving in.

It's human nature, happens virtually everywhere in the world and isn't a big deal. Admitting it sure seems to be though. I've never actually met someone prejudiced but myself. Weird.

victor809
Herf-A-Holic

11 years ago

#34

If you don't think 11.5 MILLION illegal immigrants (number from your own post, reported by DHS, so likely higher) is a problem, then I don't know where to begin...

MACS wrote:

It's all a matter of scale. Like I said, that's only 3.5% of our population.

MACS
Herf-A-Holic

11 years ago

#35

It's all a matter of scale. Like I said, that's only 3.5% of our population.

victor809 wrote:

Sure... right now. But we have many citizens that have no business being citizens because they were born here to illegal immigrant parents who had no business being here...

Vicious cycle. And yes, I realize it's our own damn fault. They're using our laws against us and we're too stupid or scared to change them.

Why do you think Hispanics are the plurality in CA now? Because those 11.5 million make 33 more million... and so on...

opelmanta1900
Herf-A-Holic

11 years ago

#36

11.5 million is definitely a low number... every time I put out an ad for a job opening down in southern california, at least 13 million illegals applied each time... at least...