[quote=victor809]Sure it is. Some individuals want a wall spanning 100% of the US/Mexico border because people illegally cross the border. These illegal crossings have an unknown cost to our country. This is essentially demanding we cover every single square foot where that illegal activity can occur.

This isn't really any different than demanding a cop at every single location where other felonies could occur... Each of those felonies have a cost to the country... in some cases a better defined cost than that of illegal immigration. Yet no one is demanding a cop at every college party, and in every nightclub and on every streetcorner or on everyone's computer....

They only seem to want 100% coverage when it comes to this particular crime. Hell... they're essentially demanding more preventative measures for illegal immigration than they do for child abuse.

All these things are problems. I find it funny that this particular one gets so much attention... it's like the breast cancer of crimes. [/quote]



I find it funny that you're ok with it..... 😟

[quote=victor809]Don't be obtuse. That's the entire point. If it's a non-immigration felony people don't seem to care. [/quote]


not true.... you know better... 😟

[quote=victor809]Sure it is. Some individuals want a wall spanning 100% of the US/Mexico border because people illegally cross the border. These illegal crossings have an unknown cost to our country. This is essentially demanding we cover every single square foot where that illegal activity can occur.

This isn't really any different than demanding a cop at every single location where other felonies could occur... Each of those felonies have a cost to the country... in some cases a better defined cost than that of illegal immigration. Yet no one is demanding a cop at every college party, and in every nightclub and on every streetcorner or on everyone's computer....

They only seem to want 100% coverage when it comes to this particular crime. Hell... they're essentially demanding more preventative measures for illegal immigration than they do for child abuse.

All these things are problems. I find it funny that this particular one gets so much attention... it's like the breast cancer of crimes. [/quote]


I'd like to hear how a weekend college party is a drain on the economy. How is that one time event or once a week event comparable, with respect to the loss of tax dollars, to an illegal collecting government money on a daily basis?

[quote=BuckyB93]I'd like to hear how a weekend college party is a drain on the economy. How is that one time event or once a week event comparable, with respect to the loss of tax dollars, to an illegal collecting government money on a daily basis?[/quote]

Drugs are a drain on our economy. Addition costs huge numbers of otherwise productive man-hours, and the money spent on drugs is not taxed, and frequently continues out of the country to manufacturers without ever being taxed.

Blocking drug abuse at the individual user level (whether they be casual or habitual) is equivalent to trying to block illegal immigration at the individual level.

EDIT: And how are illegals collecting gov't money??? that makes no sense.

Seems like we declared war on drugs a while back.... but ignore illegal entry.... 😟

[quote=victor809]

EDIT: And how are illegals collecting gov't money??? that makes no sense.[/quote]


you think all those half a million kids that came across this year are feeding, clothing and educating themselves..?? 😕

[quote=DrafterX]you think all those half a million kids that came across this year are feeding, clothing and educating themselves..?? 😕[/quote]

.... seriously? are you still whining about the illegal kids? Those illegals are being processed by the system. We generally have to feed/clothe/house people while they are processed by the system. The topic is illegal immigrants, as in people actually continuing to be illegal immigrants. Not people who were caught and are being sent back.

whining..????? just the facts ma'am....


how many have been sent back..?? last I heard they were trying to place them with foster parents... You think parents foster for free..?? and even if it is temporary, it still costs money...

I appreciate the banter but I don't believe you believe what your sayin.... 😟

You're better than that.... 🤐

[quote=DrafterX]whining..????? just the facts ma'am....


how many have been sent back..?? last I heard they were trying to place them with foster parents... You think parents foster for free..?? and even if it is temporary, it still costs money...

I appreciate the banter but I don't believe you believe what your sayin.... 😟[/quote]

You're whining and it's a distraction from the actual topic. We could house them in mansions and feed them caviar and it would be irrelevant to the topic at hand. They are not illegal immigrants receiving money from the gov't. They are detainees being housed while they are being given a trial, as OUR laws say we have to.

[quote=victor809]You're whining and it's a distraction from the actual topic. We could house them in mansions and feed them caviar and it would be irrelevant to the topic at hand. They are not illegal immigrants receiving money from the gov't. They are detainees being housed while they are being given a trial, as OUR laws say we have to. [/quote]


and why are they here again..???? I think they crossed the border illegally right..?? 😕

[quote=victor809]You're whining and it's a distraction from the actual topic. We could house them in mansions and feed them caviar and it would be irrelevant to the topic at hand. They are not illegal immigrants receiving money from the gov't. They are detainees being housed while they are being given a trial, as OUR laws say we have to. [/quote]

finally, I get to disagree with victor again...

the complaint is about money being spent on people here illegally - be it men, women or children - be they awaiting trial, deportation, or citizenship - they got here illegally and one way or another they drain our governments financial resources...

it may be the law that we have to spend money on them while they await trial, but if they never got over here to begin with there would be no trial and no money wasted detaining them...

[quote=DrafterX]and why are they here again..???? I think they crossed the border illegally right..?? 😕[/quote]

Doesn't matter. Look, I know you like to play dumb, but this is really really simple. We are NOT giving them any money what-so-ever. Any resources or services they are receiving is NOT because they are illegal immigrants, but because they are in custody awaiting trial. I know you really want to spin this as some thing, but it isn't relevant to the discussion, and I'm sure that isn't what Bucky was referring to. Your insistence on this being the answer is simply distracting from an otherwise possibly interesting discussion.

Short answer, if you have a problem with the damn illegal kids being in some housing while they await trial, go find them, and shoot them in the damn head and shut up about it. If you don't have the nutsack to kill the damn kids, then quit whining about them being fed and housed while the gov't figures out where they go.

[quote=victor809]Doesn't matter. Look, I know you like to play dumb, but this is really really simple. We are NOT giving them any money what-so-ever. Any resources or services they are receiving is NOT because they are illegal immigrants, but because they are in custody awaiting trial. I know you really want to spin this as some thing, but it isn't relevant to the discussion, and I'm sure that isn't what Bucky was referring to. Your insistence on this being the answer is simply distracting from an otherwise possibly interesting discussion.

Short answer, if you have a problem with the damn illegal kids being in some housing while they await trial, go find them, and shoot them in the damn head and shut up about it. If you don't have the nutsack to kill the damn kids, then quit whining about them being fed and housed while the gov't figures out where they go. [/quote]


uhh... I think you are the one spinning here.... the issue is illegal immigration and what it costs the taxpayer... and now you've turned into illegals on da welfare..??? 🤔

[quote=opelmanta1900]finally, I get to disagree with victor again...

the complaint is about money being spent on people here illegally - be it men, women or children - be they awaiting trial, deportation, or citizenship - they got here illegally and one way or another they drain our governments financial resources...

it may be the law that we have to spend money on them while they await trial, but if they never got over here to begin with there would be no trial and no money wasted detaining them... [/quote]

And again, we get back to the fact that we have to question whether the cost of ensuring they can't make it in is greater than what they cost to deport.

[quote=victor809]Drugs are a drain on our economy. Addition costs huge numbers of otherwise productive man-hours, and the money spent on drugs is not taxed, and frequently continues out of the country to manufacturers without ever being taxed.

Blocking drug abuse at the individual user level (whether they be casual or habitual) is equivalent to trying to block illegal immigration at the individual level.

EDIT: And how are illegals collecting gov't money??? that makes no sense.[/quote]


Really? You can't be serious.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/7/illegal-aliens-may-lose-of-some-medicare-benefits/?page=all 

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2011/04/most-illegal-immigrant-families-collect-welfare/ 

http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/17/report-la-county-to-pay-650-million-in-welfare-benefits-to-illegal-immigrant-parents/ 

There are plenty more reports out there but I don't want to waste Cbid bandwidth to post them.

[quote=DrafterX]uhh... I think you are the one spinning here.... the issue is illegal immigration and what it costs the taxpayer... and now you've turned into illegals on da welfare..??? 🤔 [/quote]

no drafter. You decided to spin off into the "illegal kids" tangent (incidentally, the illegal kids is a very small part of the illegal immigrant problem it just has lots of visibility right now)... you're easily distracted by stupid high-profile tangents. hey.... look, a shiny object.

[quote=victor809]And again, we get back to the fact that we have to question whether the cost of ensuring they can't make it in is greater than what they cost to deport. [/quote]



spending tax dollars either way aren't we..?? 😕

[quote=BuckyB93]Really? You can't be serious.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/7/illegal-aliens-may-lose-of-some-medicare-benefits/?page=all 

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2011/04/most-illegal-immigrant-families-collect-welfare/ 

http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/17/report-la-county-to-pay-650-million-in-welfare-benefits-to-illegal-immigrant-parents/ 

There are plenty more reports out there but I don't want to waste Cbid bandwidth to post them.[/quote]

that's what I'm looking for. Thank you bucky. I'll take a look at this

[quote=victor809]And again, we get back to the fact that we have to question whether the cost of ensuring they can't make it in is greater than what they cost to deport. [/quote]

and it is, just as spending resources preventing cancer will always be wiser than spending resources treating it... doesn't mean we don't treat what's already in existence, but the concentration of our efforts should be placed upon future prevention...