no drafter. You decided to spin off into the "illegal kids" tangent (incidentally, the illegal kids is a very small part of the illegal immigrant problem it just has lots of visibility right now)... you're easily distracted by stupid high-profile tangents. hey.... look, a shiny object.

victor809 wrote:

that's what I'm looking for. Thank you bucky. I'll take a look at this

victor809 wrote:

Lots of felonies committed in the US which no one cares enough about to require walls and armed private citizens.

Drug felonies? That sh%t happens daily on every college campus, most night clubs, tons of bars. It's illegal, whether you agree with it or not.

Felonies regarding the illegal copying of copyrighted materials? Those happen all the time. And there's data about how much it costs our economy.

Purchase of cuban cigars over $100 is I believe a felony. Seems that no one's screaming for the enforcement of that one.

victor809 wrote:

Really? You can't be serious.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/7/illegal-aliens-may-lose-of-some-medicare-benefits/?page=all 

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2011/04/most-illegal-immigrant-families-collect-welfare/ 

http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/17/report-la-county-to-pay-650-million-in-welfare-benefits-to-illegal-immigrant-parents/ 

There are plenty more reports out there but I don't want to waste Cbid bandwidth to post them.

BuckyB93 wrote:

Don't be obtuse. That's the entire point. If it's a non-immigration felony people don't seem to care.

victor809 wrote:

Ok.
So here's the twist. Illegal immigrants are NOT receiving any money from the govt.
In the first article, this one is the most confusing to me... apparently there is a loophole in Medicare subpart D where indvidiauls can make prescription claims while being illegal. This isn't a gov't program to help illegals. Medicare has policies requiring citizenship. They just have noticed that people are getting around it in subpart D. They are working to close that loophole.

victor809 wrote:

Second and third article. The welfare is going to the citizen, ie the natural born child of illegal immigrants. If you don't like that you're gonna have to go change the 14th amendment to the constitution. The children are citizens... and they're poor... as such they get welfare. If you don't like that, feel free to go shoot them in the head.

victor809 wrote:

Addendum to the second article - a point in the 2nd article was interesting to me, regarding child tax credits. Something to note if families are receivign tax credits, they are paying taxes (IRS federal taxes)... to some extent these families are paying into the system. One cannot then simply claim that the draw from the system is the entire cost, as something is going in.

victor809 wrote:

So in summary, illegals ARE getting government money.

BuckyB93 wrote:

Now who's being obtuse? Drug felonies are like comparing apples to oranges. Many will argue the war on drugs is an abject failure, and I am one of them. I do not condone the use of heroin or cocaine or such... but who does it hurt? The retard doing it (many would argue his or her family too, but that's a family matter, not society's). The embargo on Cuba was enacted in what? 1962? Cuba is still around and everyone but us buys their cigars... epic fail.

Completely and utterly different from illegal immigration which affects our entire country. Years ago it was a border problem. California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas... well... illegal immigrants are EVERYWHERE now. Well... maybe not South Dakota and Montana.

MACS wrote:

Ooops, my bad. They are taking advantage of a loophole so that doesn’t count as getting government money. Got it.



Yeah, the government often writes checks made out to minors. Then these minors take the check to the bank, cash it and use it solely for their purposes and illegal mom and dad don’t get a dime of it. Got it.



Yeah, I bet they pay in more than they get back. Hey, I have a bridge for sale.

So in summary, illegals ARE getting government money.

BuckyB93 wrote:

I think you mistook my questioning. I was asking because I did not believe the government was issuing cash to illegal immigrants. Not because I don't want them to get money (in the larger scheme of things I just don't care), but because I didn't believe there was a policy in place in which money was distributed to people who were illegal citizens (which your statement implied). The articles you pointed out helped me understand what you were talking about.

An accurate representation would be "Illegal immigrants using their natural born citizen children to collect money from the government"... but that doesn't sound as sexy as "an illegal collecting government money on a daily basis"...

You see how one sentence, while less accurate, is more likely to inflame the masses...

victor809 wrote:

[-x wrong again Bucky... they get debit cards now... not checks... 🤐

DrafterX wrote:

I didn't have a problem with your daily basis phrase. Money collected once a month is intended to represent per diem needs.

My problem was with the implication that there are govt programs to distribute welfare to illegals. The programs are intended to assist legal citizen children. The illegal parents may be benefitting as well, but are not the reason for the program.

victor809 wrote:

I didn't have a problem with your daily basis phrase. Money collected once a month is intended to represent per diem needs.

My problem was with the implication that there are govt programs to distribute welfare to illegals. The programs are intended to assist legal citizen children. The illegal parents may be benefitting as well, but are not the reason for the program.

victor809 wrote:

Weak. I am a Homo. Wanna a back rub ?.

MACS wrote: