victor809
11 years ago

Nice deflection you tool. You live in a liberal ****hole that you are free to leave yet you don't....telling as hell. And BTW I've met and stayed @ Raymond's home, he is a gentleman of first caliber and quite intelligent. You and your ilk put far too much weight in your command of the English language and area in which you live, when in essence it's a persons character that speaks volumes about them. Here's a little read for your and your liberal ****tards to enjoy on how we've arrived @ where we are as a country,. And the **** in the Whitehouse continues to finish implementing the items " not done to date "

TMCTLT wrote:



So, your entire basis of proof that I'm a "liberal" or a "socialist" is that I live in San Francisco? That's horrible logic. You ever stop to think that I like living in a city? That I like temperate weather and cool evenings? That I find the architecture to be interesting and the opportunities to go to excellent bars and restaurants very important? You ever stop to think that people pay me a lot of money to do my work here?

You never bother to read and/or understand what I post though. your "retorts" are rarely even tangentially associated with my comments.



Again. WHO IN THIS ENTIRE THREAD SAID YOU SHOULD TRUST OBAMA?
Are you such a sheep that you just care who supports or doesn't support the POTUS, rather than actually looking at whether what you're posting is accurate?

You also realize that your "45 goals" isn't "communist goals" but is what some american politicians thought were "communist goals" back in the 60's right? It is just as much nonsense as anything else the politicians tell you now.

You trust any bit of tripe shoveled at you by people with no regard for accuracy or truth, and the instant anyone disagrees with you, your go-to response is "HOW CAN YOU TRUST SOMEONE WITH NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!" or some similar nonsense.
jetblasted
11 years ago
His momma was a slut 😟.
DrafterX
11 years ago
I heard that too... 😟
Oscar
11 years ago
Thinking is hard... That's why I just repeat what I am told.
CelticBomber
11 years ago

He skips 60% of his intelligence briefings, so the next time he says he didn't know, believe him. Then again, he's such well documented liar, so there's that.

jetblasted wrote:



Funny you mentioned the word liar... I just read an interesting article about a new emerging tactic republicans are using in their campaigns.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/tom-cotton-and-the-era-post-truth-politics 

They're calling it Post-Truth politics. The guy in the article Rep. Tom Cotton, R-Ark straight out said that he doesn't care if his commercials are full of lies and even said he was going to boost spending to run this particular ad even longer knowing it's full of lies about his opponent.

From the article....

In Arkansas last week, Rep. Tom Cotton (R), his party’s U.S. Senate nominee, was caught in one of the most brazen lies of the 2014 campaign season. The right-wing congressman claimed he voted against this year’s Farm Bill because President Obama “hijacked” it, “turned it into a food-stamp bill,” and added “billions more in spending.”

As a factual matter, literally none of this is even remotely true, and fact-checkers came down hard on such shameless dishonesty – all of which might matter if Cotton gave a darn. But as Peter Urban reported yesterday, the congressman just doesn’t care about getting caught.

Rejecting criticism of its latest TV ad, Republican Senate hopeful Tom Cotton plans to keep running the “Farm Bill” message beyond its current ad buy.

“We’ve gotten such great feedback from farmers, taxpayers, and supporters that we’re actually going to increase the size of the ad buy,” said David Ray, a spokesman for the Cotton campaign.

In a local interview this week, Cotton said he’s “proud” of his demonstrably dishonest commercial, adding that the fact-checkers didn’t spend time “growing up on a farm,” so he knows “a little bill more about farming than they do.”



This has gone way beyond partisan politics.
Buckwheat
11 years ago

Funny you mentioned the word liar... I just read an interesting article about a new emerging tactic republicans are using in their campaigns.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/tom-cotton-and-the-era-post-truth-politics 

They're calling it Post-Truth politics. The guy in the article Rep. Tom Cotton, R-Ark straight out said that he doesn't care if his commercials are full of lies and even said he was going to boost spending to run this particular ad even longer knowing it's full of lies about his opponent.

From the article....



This has gone way beyond partisan politics.

CelticBomber wrote:



Et tu, Celtic? [sarcasm]
CelticBomber
11 years ago

Et tu, Celtic? [sarcasm]

Buckwheat wrote:



Lol nah. I realized a long time ago that the country is playing right into the hands of those who really run the country. Democrat/Republican... /shrug the rich get richer and the poor and middle class are so busy arguing with a rage that's almost Holy on both sides that they don't even see who's really pulling the strings anymore.

Democrats and Republicans have always been at odds but they used to at least be civil and even manage to compromise. Now you have some idiot calling the President of the United States a liar on national tv. Politicians publicly saying that they know the attack ad's they are running are lie's and they don't care! I vote Democrat because of the social issue's. What do I care what two gay guys do in their bedroom and why shouldn't they be able to get married or openly serve in the military. I don't think the government has the right to legislate morality. All the rest is just noise.
MACS
11 years ago

To sum up this tread... We all like to jump up on the soapbox and try and state our point of view and we really could care less what anyone else thinks or says...

and MACS wife and son are illegals. [sarcasm]

Buckwheat wrote:



Nah... I got my son his certificate of US birth abroad from the embassy in Manila when he was under a year old. Still got his first US Passport with the baby picture!

As for my wife... filled out all the proper paper work, paid all the requisite fees, and she passed her test and was sworn in in 2003. 😁
cacman
11 years ago

I don't think the government has the right to legislate morality. All the rest is just noise.

CelticBomber wrote:


The Dems/Liberals do and have done it more than the Conservatives/Repubs have done. Obamacare, backdoor attempts at gun-control through the guise of being a healthcare issue, no voter ID, amnesty for millions of criminals... the list goes on.
TMCTLT
11 years ago

Lol nah. I realized a long time ago that the country is playing right into the hands of those who really run the country. Democrat/Republican... /shrug the rich get richer and the poor and middle class are so busy arguing with a rage that's almost Holy on both sides that they don't even see who's really pulling the strings anymore.

Democrats and Republicans have always been at odds but they used to at least be civil and even manage to compromise. Now you have some idiot calling the President of the United States a liar on national tv. Politicians publicly saying that they know the attack ad's they are running are lie's and they don't care! I vote Democrat because of the social issue's. What do I care what two gay guys do in their bedroom and why shouldn't they be able to get married or openly serve in the military. I don't think the government has the right to legislate morality. All the rest is just noise.

CelticBomber wrote:




Interesting you feel that way, YET you vote for the very party that dous just that....#-o It should be left to the States and private industry when it comes to " thrusting " your and others Liberal beliefs on the rest of society. The government has NO right to legislate that a privately owned company of ANY kind conduct business as THEY see fit, you Cannot have it both ways!!!! 😣
Buckwheat
11 years ago

Interesting you feel that way, YET you vote for the very party that dous just that....#-o It should be left to the States and private industry when it comes to " thrusting " your and others Liberal beliefs on the rest of society. The government has NO right to legislate that a privately owned company of ANY kind conduct business as THEY see fit, you Cannot have it both ways!!!! ](*,)

TMCTLT wrote:



Celtic brings up a lot of valid points. The Liberals aren't the only ones who are ramming their beliefs down the rest of society. Clearly, there is a difference of opinion on these topics here and we aren't going to change anyone's beliefs with a post on a cigar forum. TMCTLT, the government has been legislating how company's can conduct business since the founding of this country.
TMCTLT
11 years ago

Celtic brings up a lot of valid points. The Liberals aren't the only ones who are ramming their beliefs down the rest of society. Clearly, there is a difference of opinion on these topics here and we aren't going to change anyone's beliefs with a post on a cigar forum. TMCTLT, the government has been legislating how company's can conduct business since the founding of this country.

Buckwheat wrote:




NOT using ones sexual preference to do so, I don't give a F*ck what people do in the privacy of their homes...this is an agenda to make out that anyone who doesn't see things Their Way...is a hater. And since the both of YOU continue to use the word " OPINION " surely you can see that only ones side of this issue counts....#-o
fishinguitarman
11 years ago
Vicki lives in San Fran????

😨 😨 😨 😨 😨 😨 😨 😨 😨 😨 😨 😨
TMCTLT
11 years ago

Thanks Paul😊

fishinguitarman wrote:





Just telling it like it is my Friend 🍺


Vicki lives in San Fran????

😨 😨 😨 😨 😨 😨 😨 😨 😨 😨 😨 😨

fishinguitarman wrote:






Come on RAYMOND...I know your NOT really surprised by that.
fishinguitarman
11 years ago

Just telling it like it is my Friend 🍺

TMCTLT wrote:






Back at cha! 🍺
CelticBomber
11 years ago

NOT using ones sexual preference to do so, I don't give a F*ck what people do in the privacy of their homes...this is an agenda to make out that anyone who doesn't see things Their Way...is a hater. And since the both of YOU continue to use the word " OPINION " surely you can see that only ones side of this issue counts....#-o

TMCTLT wrote:




See here's where you go wrong and fall into the trap all politicians want you to fall into. I mentioned I don't think the government should be legislating morality and you immediately went for the each state should decide for itself. When I say government I don't just mean the Federal government, I mean all government down the smallest village council. I picked the topic of same sex marriage and gays in the military to make my point. I could have just as easily have used abortion or the separation of church and state . Right away you paint me with the you're a democrat/libtard etc etc etc. The only problem is that while I tend to agree more with Democrats on social issue's I don't agree with them all the time. I'm for the death penalty, I think it should be applied more often especially for violent repeat offenders. If they know 100% they have the right guy, he's admitted he's the right guy, and it's been proven beyond any doubt they shouldn't wait one more day. I also fully support the right to bear arms and that there shouldn't be any type of so called assault weapons ban.

I could go on and on. My problem is everyone is so fired up, they use their time and resources trying to undermine each other instead of looking for a way to find some common ground and get something done. The Republicans have said they will do everything in their power to make sure the President does not get anything passed congress no matter what it is, even if it's something their own constituents would benefit from.
DrafterX
11 years ago
When, where & who said that..?? 😕
TMCTLT
11 years ago

See here's where you go wrong and fall into the trap all politicians want you to fall into. I mentioned I don't think the government should be legislating morality and you immediately went for the each state should decide for itself. When I say government I don't just mean the Federal government, I mean all government down the smallest village council. I picked the topic of same sex marriage and gays in the military to make my point. I could have just as easily have used abortion or the separation of church and state . Right away you paint me with the you're a democrat/libtard etc etc etc. The only problem is that while I tend to agree more with Democrats on social issue's I don't agree with them all the time. I'm for the death penalty, I think it should be applied more often especial for violent repeat offenders. If they know 100% they have the right guy, he's admitted he's the right guy, and it's been proven beyond any doubt they shouldn't wait one more day. I also fully support the right to bear arms and that their shouldn't be any type of so called assault weapons ban.

I could go on and on. My problem is everyone is so fired up, they use their time and resources trying to undermine each other instead of looking for a way to find some common ground and get something done. The Republicans have said they will do everything in their power to make sure the President does not get anything passed congress no matter what it is, even if it's something their own constituents would benefit from.

CelticBomber wrote:




So I'm assuming then Stephan that you would be okay with small business or ANY privately held / run business decline to do business with gays or people who support abortion or is that where you draw the line? Because that IS the way things were until Government started legislating with their " feel good politics " and by the way way Gov IS legislating morality...their brand of it.
CelticBomber
11 years ago
All I'll say is this Paul. I think a lot of people misuse the term morals/morality. I don't think being gay has anything to do with morality. Someone being gay causes no harm to anyone. No one should be able to discriminate against anyone because of who that person chooses to love.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

What an elegant and succinct way of conveying such a huge idea. Now some would argue that the Creator has a problem with homosexuality, others would say different. That argument is a long road that leads to nowhere except anger and hate. It's just not worth it in my eyes. How could anything that brings out such anger and hate and violence all because of who someone chooses to love be a good thing, a moral thing? All I said was that I don't think the government should be legislating morality. For some reason that made you angry. I know that it happens, I never said it didn't. I just said I don't think they should. I think both sides are spending so much time and energy and obscene amounts of money on trying to tear each other down that they don't realize they are tearing the country as a whole down with them.
gryphonms
11 years ago
CB, well said. I think the disconnect many people feel is that they think the government is trying to enforce a government specified morality on them. I think most people agree with the government enforcing equal rights for all. You are absolutely right that the political discord is tearing our country apart.
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