[quote=ZRX1200]Why do you beat your girlfriend?[/quote]

Because she's a pain in the azz... why do you ask?

well you seem to like sidetracked arguments so it seemed fit ting.

Do you not see the difference between baking a wedding cake and say a birthday cake? If you say no just type no and we're done. I'm trying to K.I.S.S.

Teedubya it depends on if it was Bloody or CROS.

Z... Assuming we are talking about a cake of similar size/construction etc, then no. They are a cake provider, nothing more.

Cake could be used to murder infants in a satanic ritual and it would still just be a bad tasting stack of stale bread with fondant.

[quote=victor809]Z... Assuming we are talking about a cake of similar size/construction etc, then no. They are a cake provider, nothing more.

Cake could be used to murder infants in a satanic ritual and it would still just be a bad tasting stack of stale bread with fondant.[/quote]

Ok Vic, you just outted yourself...

You know what Fondant is,,,


wheel,,

It's all hogwash.

The law won't encourage discrimination of any sort.
Redneck bakers already discourage the gays by calling them names until they leave.
Which is stupid, since there is probably a lot of money in ****** shaped cakes.

But with or without the law, doesn't a person who is comfortable with himself have anything better to do than force someone to bake or serve a food item if they don't want to?

People have their panties bunched in a knot because this is the protected LGBTxyz crowd.
What about the ugly people who get overlooked for jobs? You don't see many fat women with facial hair hostessing at your local Capital Grill.

And don't get me going on the Polish or Eye-talians.


I think the shop owner is an idiot. But I think forcing him to do it is worse.

My 32 pesos.

[quote=wheelrite]Ok Vic, you just outted yourself...

You know what Fondant is,,,


wheel,,[/quote]

Is that the cheese between Jane Fonda's thighs?

There were alot of posts so i only read the first like three. As a hoosier, I'm dissapointed in this law. As a (hypothetical) business owner, I should be able to refuse service to whoever the **** I want for whatever **** reason I want (without a law saying so). I should also be able to have a smoking establishment where I want, including bars and restaurants. The Government should be involvdd in the least amount of my life as possible. Believe me, I work for them!

Ps i really hope gencon does not boycott indy. I love gencon.

Interesting read/arguments.

Having read the majority of the thread, I still kind of need clif notes on WTF the law does??

If it says a business can discriminate on the basis of sexual preference... I disagree with it. And before any Judeo-Christian folks tell me it's against their religion, I'd like to refer you to the teachings of Jesus.

Jesus regularly ate dinner with thieves and whores. And I'm pretty sure He said something like; "But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect" (Matthew 5:43-48).

For non-believers... what dog do you have in the fight, then? Why do you care who bakes cakes for the LGBT community?

The better argument would be for muslims to say we can't serve them because the koran says we gotta kill 'em!

[quote=wheelrite]Ok Vic, you just outted yourself...

You know what Fondant is,,,


wheel,,[/quote]

Yep... I've been outted as an individual with a well developed vocabulary.

I'll never live down the shame. Especially here.

🇨🇮

I do love the freedom afforded to residents of Indiana. It's 100% the reason I moved here from IL. ...well, maybe the lower taxes and stuff had something to do with it.

But F that S.

Can Vic still suck cox in Indiana? If not he won't film the Indy 500 part 6.

one person's rights end where another's begins.

No Shoes, No Shirt, NO SERVICE.

Any one here actually read the law in question?

[quote=ZRX1200]Paul I disagree I don't see this having anything to do with $ I think it's more about maintaining momentum and not conceding ANY ground socially (how the Pink Mafia sees it).[/quote]


And therein lies the beauty and the crux....it's mostly opinion driven NO??? Who's " opinion " carries more weight. And I disagree about the $$ it's a driving factor, @ least for some ( even if only the offices dispensing Law )

[quote=namadio]There were alot of posts so i only read the first like three. As a hoosier, I'm dissapointed in this law. As a (hypothetical) business owner, I should be able to refuse service to whoever the **** I want for whatever **** reason I want (without a law saying so). I should also be able to have a smoking establishment where I want, including bars and restaurants. The Government should be involvdd in the least amount of my life as possible. Believe me, I work for them!

Ps i really hope gencon does not boycott indy. I love gencon.[/quote]


Talk about confusing......how on one hand can you feel SO strongly about Gov. staying out of business owners ability to run their business as they see fit AND still be disappointed in our Governor for giving business owners the ability to enjoy some form of protection against being forced out of business by those who are forcing their world view on others????




[quote=teedubbya]So if a bakery won't serve black folk but can point to another that will it's ok?

As for Indiana WGAF about a bunchs dit heads anyway?[/quote]



Back @ya goodbuddy 🌫

[quote=victor809]I've always been confused why people think homosexuality is a "choice". To be so sure that they are "choosing" to be gay, you must have some inside knowledge that I don't have. I mean, I didn't "choose" to be attracted to women. I just am. Are you "choosing" to be attracted to women TCBY? Is that why you're always so angry?

As for a homosexual gene... they've had some success in fruitflies (no pun intended).

And I'm really curious where you draw the line on what the difference is between "preferring" to screw someone of the same sex and being sexually attracted to someone of the same sex. That seems like the dumbest differentiation without any distinction ever identified. It's meaningless to try to peg it as a "preference" as opposed to sexual attraction.



So where do you draw the line? At what point does a business get to discriminate against customers AND/OR employment based on"free will". Can you not hire someone for their race? Can you not serve someone for their race? Can you not hire someone because they're christian? Can you not serve someone because they're christian?

Laws are in place to protect from the "tyranny of the majority" and while you may like to pretend you're in the minority, and some poor put-upon white male... you aren't. These laws are in place to ensure that a person can live in a community. If all the business owners in some small town in Indiana decided not to sell to gay people, you essentially run a person out of town by making it impossible for them to purchase goods or services in the area. Sure, a florist is a stupid shop, and not a "need". But what if all the grocery stores refused to sell to "the gays"? [/quote]


tyranny of the majority"

Stay on track Vicky.....this IS about a private sector business OWNERs ability to run his / her business the way they see fit. If YOU don't like it.....OPEN YOUR OWN, it's a FREE country. Get it now???


These laws are in place to ensure that a person can live in a community.

IT ensures that their rights trump the business owners, nothing more!!


But what if all the grocery stores refused to sell to "the gays"? [/quote][/h]

Then they also enjoy the FREEDOM of moving where they feel welcome or in this case " catered to "

Lots of states with bad laws on the books ( think gun control etc ) and some folks ARE finding it necessary to move to a different state where they can live as they see fit. That's the beauty of the U.S. we have 57...er I mean 50 states to choose from.....find one that your happy with

Here is a good article on this law with some insightful history.

"Everybody's Lost Their Goddamn Mind Over Religious Freedom" - 🌫

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/04/01/everybody-s-lost-their-goddamn-mind-over-religious-freedom.html 

Both conservatives and liberals aren’t being straight about the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.

While everyone is distracted by the gay-homo militant extremists crying outrage, a brand new war in Yemen broke out.