tailgater
11 years ago
Back on topic:

Why did Indiana put this law in place?
Was there a big problem with bakers and photographers being forced to attend gay weddings? Or was there a multitude of gays trying to sue because they wanted people to unwillingly bake them a cake?

Seems foolish from both sides.
The law isn't a blank check to embrace discrimination. But it seems entirely unnecessary.
danmdevries
11 years ago

Back on topic:

Why did Indiana put this law in place?
Was there a big problem with bakers and photographers being forced to attend gay weddings? Or was there a multitude of gays trying to sue because they wanted people to unwillingly bake them a cake?

Seems foolish from both sides.
The law isn't a blank check to embrace discrimination. But it seems entirely unnecessary.

tailgater wrote:



It is entirely unnecessary.
teedubbya
11 years ago
Yup. Stupid unnecessary law. Conservative or liberal beware of law for the sake of law.

And anyone thinking I had anything to do with changing a law in Indiana is delusional. They make their own laws, foolish or not, then live with the consequences.

The only thing I've done is discuss on a discount cigar forum. The hyperbole and hysterics is appreciated though. I love it.
teedubbya
11 years ago
We need less laws not more.
Speyside
11 years ago
^+1. Also agreed that the law is foolish.
TMCTLT
11 years ago

^+1. Also agreed that the law is foolish.

Speyside wrote:





As do I. However I also think it foolish to " Seek Out " a business who is NOT okay with providing services to Homosexual Weddings and then Force Them to knuckle under or be put out of business via Social Media Outrage.

So much for the Live and Let Live mantra.....

Let's take for instance the media in S.Bend who WENT LOOKING for a business who would not knuckle under and was elated to find the owners of Memories Pizza who Was Not Afraid to stand their ground on the issue but was ultimately RAN OUT OF BUSINESS and threatened with arson by one of the TOLERANT HOMOsexual crowd.
tailgater
11 years ago
Is a homosexual arsonist called a flamer?
teedubbya
11 years ago
frankj1
11 years ago

Is a homosexual arsonist called a flamer?

tailgater wrote:


I am so proud to know you!!!
can't believe I didn't think of that.
MACS
11 years ago
Tough crowd... 😰

Happy Easter to one and all today, believers and heathens alike!
Gene363
11 years ago

Tough crowd... 😰

Happy Easter to one and all today, believers and heathens alike!

MACS wrote:



Thank you and the same to you and yours.

tonygraz
11 years ago
If there is any law needed, perhaps freedom from religion would be more appropriate.
cacman
11 years ago

We need less laws not more.

teedubbya wrote:


+1
victor809
11 years ago



Let's take for instance the media in S.Bend who WENT LOOKING for a business who would not knuckle under and was elated to find the owners of Memories Pizza who Was Not Afraid to stand their ground on the issue but was ultimately RAN OUT OF BUSINESS and threatened with arson by one of the TOLERANT HOMOsexual crowd.

TMCTLT wrote:



Yeah... shame on that evil media for asking people their opinion, and then televising it. That poor pizza parlor owner couldn't have possibly had any idea whatsoever that something said in a TV interview would end up on television and be seen by other people watching TV.

Dude... even I think it was a stupid news story (seriously, how many businesses did they have to ask to get down to asking a PIZZA PARLOR whether they would cater a gay wedding???? That would be the worst gay wedding ever.) But where's your sense of personal responsibility that you always talk about? They made a statement on the television, they didn't need to make that statement, they could have simply denied the interview. They chose to make a statement on television. If they didn't think their statement would have repercussions, they are idiots. If they knew there would be repercussions (which you CLEARLY think they did, as you call them "not afraid" and say they wouldn't "knuckle under") then what's the problem?
MACS
11 years ago
It seems to be working out for them. Last I checked they had almost a million on that gofundme website.

Prolly gonna close shop and retire now. Brilliant!!
victor809
11 years ago

It seems to be working out for them. Last I checked they had almost a million on that gofundme website.

Prolly gonna close shop and retire now. Brilliant!!

MACS wrote:



That whole "gofundme" thing always struck me as tech-enabled panhandling. But hey, if someone wants to give away their hard-earned money to a person who was stupid enough to think there would be no business repercussions to making a statement on the television... that's their right to do so.
MACS
11 years ago
It IS tech-enabled panhandling, but like you said, if people want to contribute... so be it.

Why do people sit and beg at freeway off-ramps here in Cali? Because it works. People give them money, or they'd stop doing it.
dstieger
11 years ago
Anybody watch Good Wife last night? How do they DO that?
Bitter Klinger
11 years ago
The pizza shop owners are being rewarded by like-minded people for sticking to their principles. The people who donate consider it a worthwhile cause, and money well spent. It provides a "wealth" of proof that the liberal media's militant pro-homosexual agenda is NOT being accepted, and is in fact dead wrong.

Gofundme provides more than just electronic panhandling - there's plenty of that - but it also provides in some circumstances a vehicle for the masses to put their money where their mouth is - an increasingly excellent way for the public to speak out against bad media attempts to sway or create the news. Its far more than panhandling.

Another recent happening would be 2 seperate extremely successful Gofundme campaigns for officer Darren Wilson. The media tried to villify this man for doing his job. The people spoke out through donations both to help him and his family, but also as a thumb in the eye to the liberal media creeps.

Both are great examples of good people portraying some of those "dumb" convictions the liberals so despise.

Time for lunch - Chik-fil-A anyone?
DrafterX
11 years ago
Colorado double standard: Bakers should not be forced to make anti-gay cakes
Published April 07, 2015

Bill Jack wants to make one thing perfectly clear: Bakers should not be forced to make a cake that would violate their conscience or freedom of expression.

Jack, of Castle Rock, Colo., is making national headlines over an experiment he conducted in the wake of attacks on Christian business owners who refuse to provide services for same-sex marriages.

Last year, the Colorado Civil Rights Commission ruled that the Masterpiece Cakeshop in Lakewood unlawfully discriminated against a gay couple who wanted a wedding cake. Jack Phillips, the owner of the cake shop, is a devout Christian, and his attorneys argued that to force him to participate in the gay wedding would violate his religious beliefs.
The Civil Rights Commission saw it differently.

So if Christian bakers who oppose gay marriage are compelled under law to violate their beliefs – what about bakers who support gay marriage? Would they be compelled to make an anti-gay marriage cake?

Jack, who is a devout Christian, asked three bakeries to produce two cakes – each shaped like an open Bible.

On one side of one cake he requested the words, “God hates sin – Psalm 45:7.” On the other side he wanted the words, “Homosexuality is a detestable sin – Leviticus 18:22.”

On the second cake he asked them to write another Bible verse: “While we were yet sinners Christ died for us – Romans 5:8” along with the words “God loves sinners.”

And finally, Jack wanted the bakers to create an image – two grooms holding hands, with a red “X” over them – the universal symbol for “not allowed.”

Now if you read the national news accounts of Jack’s experiment – you would’ve read that he wanted gay slurs written on the cakes. But that wasn’t true.

According to the commission’s own report, there’s no mention of Jack using any gay slurs – unless you consider Bible verses to be gay slurs.

Mark Silverstein, the legal director for Colorado’s chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union, accused Jack of wanting obscenities written on the cakes.

“There’s no law that says that a cake-maker has to write obscenities in the cake just because the customer wants it,” he told the Associated Press.

Does the ACLU consider the Bible to be obscene?

As you probably guessed, the bakeries rejected Jack’s request for what some would call “anti-gay” cakes.

“If he wants to hate people, he can hate them not here in my bakery,” Azucar Bakery owner Marjorie Silva told 7NEWS. She called the writing and imagery “hateful and offensive.”

So Jack filed a discrimination complaint with the Colorado Civil Rights Commission – just as the gay couple did in the Masterpiece Cakeshop case.

Using the commission’s logic – if a Christian baker is forced to violate his beliefs, shouldn’t all bakers be forced to violate theirs, too?

Absolutely not, says the Colorado Civil Rights Commission.

It ruled that Azucar did not discriminate against Jack based on his creed. It argued that the bakery refused to make the cakes because of the “derogatory language and imagery,” The Denver Channel reported.

Jack told me it’s a double standard – pure and simple.

“I think it is hypocritical,” he said. “It’s unequal treatment before the law. The Colorado Anti-Discrimination Act is being used to coerce businesses to participate in events that violate their consciences.”

Jack said he decided to conduct his experiment to prove the Colorado law was “only being applied to Christian business people.”

“Christians need to understand that this is the state of Christianity in the United States,” he said. “We are now second-class citizens. Our free speech is being censored.”

To be clear, Jack believes the bakeries had the right to deny him service. His point was to draw attention to the hypocrisy.

“I stand for liberty for all, not liberty for some,” he said. “If we don’t have liberty for all, then we have liberty for none.”

Alliance Defending Freedom is a religious liberty law firm that represents the Masterpiece Cakeshop.

It believes the Civil Rights Commission reached the right conclusion in Jack’s case, but it blasted the commission’s inconsistencies when it came to the case involving its client.

“The commission’s inconsistent rulings mean that the owners of these three cake shops may run them according to their beliefs, while Jack cannot,” ADF attorney Jeremy Tedesco said.

“These cake artists should not be forced to violate their conscience, but clearly the commission should have done the same for Jack Phillips,” he said. “He risks losing his lifelong business altogether if he continues to run it consistent with his faith. Such blatant religious discrimination has no place in our society.”

That’s a great point. If the owner of Azucar Bakery can run her business according to her beliefs – why can’t the owner of the Masterpiece Cakeshop.

Film at 11.... 🤔
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