Bitter Klinger
11 years ago

I'm sorry but there's some wierd stuff happening with this. First, its odd that the media keeps showing the shooting on TV - they usually won't do that so fast. If ever. Second, the next day Moms on TV with nary a tear in her eye, hoping it never happens to anyone else without so much as a tremor in her voice. Third, the "victim" ran awful far for having 5 bullets in him, and still managed to soften his fall with his arms after an alleged heart shot? The fall looked staged in the video to me. Fourth, Press conference - mumble, mumble, mumble, then "WEVE ORDERED BODY CAMERAS FOR ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS!". Clap, clap, clap. Huh? Fifth, The "crowd' of protesters was about eleven people with the same signs from Ferguson. There's a lot more, but I'll wait a bit.

This smells like false flag to me, but lets sit back and see what develops. I predict what develops will be nationwide "calls" to outfit the entire nations police forces with body cameras asap. Anything less will just be raciss.
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frankj1
11 years ago
why do we have to wait to see what develops, but you don't have to?

Heard a report that should give you hope despite the odds being so obviously stacked against the home team though...two hundred and some odd shootings by police in SC in x amount of recent years...zero convictions. I'll say that again...ZERO. ( Did you know this?) So you got that going for ya in the fight against reverse racism.

Wow. Is it not remotely possible, whether this case or another, that at least sometimes the side we love does evil? There are no heroes on any team anymore, perhaps some individuals will emerge someday though.

I agree, we should hold judgement. I will.
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frankj1
11 years ago
to clarify my "reverse racism" remark as it relates to the 200 plus win streak, I in no way meant to imply that this has anything at all to do with racism. there were no stats attached to the report indicating that even a majority involved minorities, nor was there any indication regarding the ethnicity of the police members involved.

Sorry for any misinterpretation.

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delta1
11 years ago
Looked like a clear case of excessive force and unjustified homicide. The unarmed person was running away from the officer, was no threat to the officer, nor to anyone else (not mentioned in the statements in his report) when the officer shot. There has to be an imminent threat to the safety of someone to justify deadly force. This was basically a summary execution for a non-capital offense. The officer compounded his actions by tampering with evidence in a homicide scene when he picked up an object and put it near the body, seemingly in an attempt to stage the scene to match his radio call after the shooting.

The other officer at the scene who witnessed the act of putting an object next to the body should have reported it. If he didn't, he should be disciplined. If he did report it, then the department failed to take timely action, waiting until the video surfaced to do the right thing.

Body cameras; community outreach; revised, refined and extra training; policy revisions; civil and criminal cases; federal investigations ... ad nauseum will not correct the inherent problem: deeply flawed humans trying to do a job that they are unsuited to do within communities of people they despise and mistrust and who feel the same way about their PD.
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Bitter Klinger
11 years ago

why do we have to wait to see what develops, but you don't have to?

Heard a report that should give you hope despite the odds being so obviously stacked against the home team though...two hundred and some odd shootings by police in SC in x amount of recent years...zero convictions. I'll say that again...ZERO. ( Did you know this?) So you got that going for ya in the fight against reverse racism.

Wow. Is it not remotely possible, whether this case or another, that at least sometimes the side we love does evil? There are no heroes on any team anymore, perhaps some individuals will emerge someday though.

I agree, we should hold judgement. I will.

frankj1 wrote:



You're right - I said "lets" but I shouldn't have. I should have said "I'll" just as you did. My bad.

Frank, I don't really have a "side" on this unless it becomes very plausible that nobody died in order for another manufactured event to create an un-needed "demand" for even more un-wanted surveillance to be forced upon the nation as a whole. I would then be on the side that wants to reveal events that aren't real for what they really are.

Let me say also that IF this event is on the up&up, it APPEARS to be blatant murder. Regardless what allegedly transpired before the first shot. In fact, it appears to be incredulously, unbelieveably, super-stupid undeniably murder. Like how is it even possible that someone with enough intelligence to pull their hand out of a fire could possibly do something this effing stupid murder. Yeah, people do stupid things. But cops aren't stupid - its hard to become one, and rightfully so. This act we think we see taking place in this vid - I dunno, I'll wait some more and see.

N. Chas was my home for 8 years - I know the demographics there, or at least did then. I'm sure with the major military downsizing that Charleston's Naval & Air Forces have recently suffered, it has changed, likely for the worse. I have no facts on recent crime or shooting statistics there, but I'd love to read your sources.
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frankj1
11 years ago

You're right - I said "lets" but I shouldn't have. I should have said "I'll" just as you did. My bad.

Frank, I don't really have a "side" on this unless it becomes very plausible that nobody died in order for another manufactured event to create an un-needed "demand" for even more un-wanted surveillance to be forced upon the nation as a whole. I would then be on the side that wants to reveal events that aren't real for what they really are.

Let me say also that IF this event is on the up&up, it APPEARS to be blatant murder. Regardless what allegedly transpired before the first shot. In fact, it appears to be incredulously, unbelieveably, super-stupid undeniably murder. Like how is it even possible that someone with enough intelligence to pull their hand out of a fire could possibly do something this effing stupid murder. Yeah, people do stupid things. But cops aren't stupid - its hard to become one, and rightfully so. This act we think we see taking place in this vid - I dunno, I'll wait some more and see.

N. Chas was my home for 8 years - I know the demographics there, or at least did then. I'm sure with the major military downsizing that Charleston's Naval & Air Forces have recently suffered, it has changed, likely for the worse. I have no facts on recent crime or shooting statistics there, but I'd love to read your sources.

Bitter Klinger wrote:


my source was prime time evening news.
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Bitter Klinger
11 years ago

...
Body cameras; community outreach; revised, refined and extra training; policy revisions; civil and criminal cases; federal investigations ... ad nauseum will not correct the inherent problem: deeply flawed humans trying to do a job that they are unsuited to do within communities of people they despise and mistrust and who feel the same way about their PD.

delta1 wrote:



Theres some truth there.

But there is also the truth that crime statistics routinely show a disproportionately high level of crime amongst certain races. Both against themselves and others.

I disagree that the deeply flawed humans are the police and not the criminals though. And to say they despise the public they are trying to protect is insulting. For what theyre paid, and with their lives on the line, I'm amazed they take the jobs at all in the high crime areas. I damn sure wouldn't.

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Bitter Klinger
11 years ago

my source was prime time evening news.

frankj1 wrote:



Do you trust them?
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frankj1
11 years ago

Do you trust them?

Bitter Klinger wrote:


not blindly, more than bloggers in many cases though.

200. think no one has challenged that yet from SC?
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tailgater
11 years ago
BK,
It's fine to be cautious, but when somebody cries conspiracy within 24 hours of first seeing the news it reeks of biased interpretation.

It reminds me of those that thought the Boston Marathon bombing was a false flag.

Of course, history has proven those folks to be idiots, plain and simple.

Let your skepticism guide you to investigate further if you choose. And if real facts support your theory then run with it. Until then, a little respect should be given for the dead guy and his family.
What if it were someone you knew, and you read that he fell too gently or ran too slow?

This reeks of tragedy, and will hurt even the good cops before the story dies.


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Bitter Klinger
11 years ago

not blindly, more than bloggers in many cases though.

200. think no one has challenged that yet from SC?

frankj1 wrote:



I'm not sure which bloggers your talking about, but I will say I trust very little of what the media says, especially on TV, regardless of which channel or network.

I do believe the liberal media is a key player in all false flag events though, and they're usually the key to determining if something is real or not, because they always screw stuff up royally. and before you think differently - Faux news is liberal media too.
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frankj1
11 years ago
if the truth turned out to be 136, would you say "told ya so"?
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Bitter Klinger
11 years ago

BK,
It's fine to be cautious, but when somebody cries conspiracy within 24 hours of first seeing the news it reeks of biased interpretation.

It reminds me of those that thought the Boston Marathon bombing was a false flag.

Of course, history has proven those folks to be idiots, plain and simple.

Let your skepticism guide you to investigate further if you choose. And if real facts support your theory then run with it. Until then, a little respect should be given for the dead guy and his family.
What if it were someone you knew, and you read that he fell too gently or ran too slow?

This reeks of tragedy, and will hurt even the good cops before the story dies.


tailgater wrote:



Mmmm, OK. But remember you never get a second chance to make a first impression, and my first impression tells me something is amiss here. Gut feeling. Like watching a "B" movie.

A mom lost her kid and showed very little, if any emotion at all. As a parent, that speaks volumes to me. When its real, the parents always go berserk - as would I, as would all of us. If I lost my kid like that the media would be unable to use anything I'd say to them for a good while. Just like Trayvon's parents did, just like Mike Browns' parents did. That was real - Just sayin'.

False Flag events are what they are - we're supposed to be respectful and mourn and shut up about it. While our rights get swift-boated down the river. I guess I would apologize for them feeling bad if that's the real case, but I won't apologize for pointing out gross oddities as they occur. And it's important to sort out quickly.

Maybe its real. I'll keep making my list and see what pans out. Just because you're seeing a video does not mean you're seeing what you think you are. I'll wait as long as the media does. I don't think that will be very long though.

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frankj1
11 years ago
I will admit it is unlike me to toss around stats cavalierly, so I started to question my memory of what I really heard.

A very quick search came up with the following, I have Evelyn Woodskied it, satisfied that at least the number 200 police shootings was not imagined, but I have not even read it carefully. I did see that very few ended up with charges filed (that "fact" may be even more remarkable) and the number ZERO for convictions was repeated in the article. Vegas wouldn't touch them odds.

The 200 shootings by police is since 2010. Understand that I'm one of those nuts that still has faith in most LEOs, believing that most signed on for the right reasons, not to be armed vigilantes. Over time it is easy to be changed by malcontents, but I have had 98.2% positive experiences with the authorities in my (mostly) crime free life. I'll assume that many incidents happened when confronted by armed bad guys, and some were horrendous mistakes. Cops are people, people are human, humans err.

One more thing BK...I don't have a clue what side, if any, this source falls on. I first heard this stuff on local Boston channel 5, WCVB TV, an ABC affiliate. So here is a second source. I'm going on record as saying I believe that since the year 2010, there have been over 200 police shootings investigated in South Carolina and there have been no convictions.

http://www.ibtimes.com/walter-scott-death-south-carolina-police-have-history-racial-profiling-shooting-black-1874008 

maybe later I will try to find out who the heck IB Times is.
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delta1
11 years ago

Theres some truth there.

But there is also the truth that crime statistics routinely show a disproportionately high level of crime amongst certain races. Both against themselves and others.

I disagree that the deeply flawed humans are the police and not the criminals though. And to say they despise the public they are trying to protect is insulting. For what theyre paid, and with their lives on the line, I'm amazed they take the jobs at all in the high crime areas. I damn sure wouldn't.

Bitter Klinger wrote:



I was less than clear when I wrote that. I did not mean that every police officer is deeply flawed. Most that I know are honest, dedicated, hard-working and good people. All the same, I know that some are flawed in their beliefs and biases. Some have admitted to me that they began to view everyone in the neighborhood they patrolled as a potential criminal, believing that attitude was necessary for officer safety. Having worked with local PDs and the Sheriff, I've seen first-hand the level of distrust and disrespect that some initiating officers communicate, verbally and non-verbally, on first contact with a college age minority male.

The culture created within a department with many who have that mentality is typically "us vs them" which can be used to paint over the flaws, but ultimately feeds an adversarial relationship with the community. As obviously there are deeply flawed people, moreso, in any general population, the conflict when one confronts another can lead to disastrous consequences.
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Bitter Klinger
11 years ago

if the truth turned out to be 136, would you say "told ya so"?

frankj1 wrote:



No.

Because I'm more concerned with whether this event is real, and I don't really know what the current crime stats are for North Charleston for the last 5 or so years is, the number really means nothing to me.

If your son or daughter were gunned down by a cop, and the video of that shooting were being played over and over on every single news media outlet, would you be capable of giving a news interview?

Talk about respect for the dead...think about that for a minute. It wasn't OK to show Bin Ladens death, but your kid taking 5 shots in the back is good and acceptable to see over and over? And for what purpose is this happening?
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delta1
11 years ago
Not being argumentative with you, Bitter Klinger, but the news media would've run the Bin Laden execution 24/7 if the military and administration had released it to them. They withheld the video for fear that showing it would incite more acts of terrorism by his followers and serve as a recruiting tool for Al Queda.
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frankj1
11 years ago
I questioned my memory of the 200, and came up with this:

http://www.ibtimes.com/walter-scott-death-south-carolina-police-have-history-racial-profiling-shooting-black-1874008 

I did not even read it carefully, only until it stated what I had heard on local WCVB Channel 5, an ABC affiliate, 200 without a single conviction. So there are two sources for you. Vegas won't take that action.

I also have no idea which side, if any, IB Times falls politically, nor do I care.

I did read enough to say that over 200 police shootings in South Carolina have been investigated since 2010. Many have not led to charges filed, and this makes sense in a four year period involving guys who do respond to criminal activity for a living (I have had nothing but excellent dealings with the locals). Zero convictions makes less sense.
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frankj1
11 years ago

BK,
It's fine to be cautious, but when somebody cries conspiracy within 24 hours of first seeing the news it reeks of biased interpretation.

It reminds me of those that thought the Boston Marathon bombing was a false flag.

Of course, history has proven those folks to be idiots, plain and simple.

Let your skepticism guide you to investigate further if you choose. And if real facts support your theory then run with it. Until then, a little respect should be given for the dead guy and his family.
What if it were someone you knew, and you read that he fell too gently or ran too slow?

This reeks of tragedy, and will hurt even the good cops before the story dies.


tailgater wrote:


well said.
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frankj1
11 years ago

I questioned my memory of the 200, and came up with this:

http://www.ibtimes.com/walter-scott-death-south-carolina-police-have-history-racial-profiling-shooting-black-1874008 

I did not even read it carefully, only until it stated what I had heard on local WCVB Channel 5, an ABC affiliate, 200 without a single conviction. So there are two sources for you. Vegas won't take that action.

I also have no idea which side, if any, IB Times falls politically, nor do I care.

I did read enough to say that over 200 police shootings in South Carolina have been investigated since 2010. Many have not led to charges filed, and this makes sense in a four year period involving guys who do respond to criminal activity for a living (I have had nothing but excellent dealings with the locals). Zero convictions makes less sense.

frankj1 wrote:


sorry for the reworded post. the first did not appear on my screen until just now...
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