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wheelrite wrote:

Why would you assume there is nothing we can do to make a dent in CO2 emissions? I'm sure, with sufficient financial incentive, scientists could come up with something. (Now, I'm not saying we won't then have CO2 shortages 100 years from now... but hey... future people can deal with that).

victor809 wrote:

We already are trying the "sufficient financial incentive" approach and we've come up with some tweaks instead of eliminating man-made CO2.

HockeyDad wrote:

So Vic is willing to let the gov't put in mandates without understanding how we impact the climate.
Brilliant.

tailgater wrote:

Hah... no. That's "some financial incentive". Our species has shown again and again that we can accomplish pretty much anything given sufficient time or money. The fact that we haven't just means that enough money hasn't been applied to the problem (keep in mind, I am NOT stating that the amount of money required to solve the problem is worth the solution. Just saying that if we really really wanted to solve the problem, to the extent that the resources of 1st world nations were poured into it, we could definitely ensure the next generation is suffering from CO2 shortages and any number of horrible unforeseen consequences resulting in mass die-offs in 3rd world countries. We could totally do it. 🙂....)

victor809 wrote:

Huh?

tailgater wrote:

I think what he meant was someone could care less about climate charge but still agree with the alarmist climatologists and liberal douchebag "raise awareness" types who drive their SUVs to global warming protests.

HockeyDad wrote:

I am all in favor of more financial incentive. I got a nice chuck from Obama's green energy stimulus funds.

You know, If CO2 levels fall below around 150 ppm, photosynthesis stops. Control the CO2, control the oxygen. We need to develop a real CO2 sponge. Right now we see the oceans and rainforests as that. We need a sponge that we can control and sell in fractions.

HockeyDad wrote:

I am all in favor of more financial incentive. I got a nice chuck from Obama's green energy stimulus funds.

You know, If CO2 levels fall below around 150 ppm, photosynthesis stops. Control the CO2, control the oxygen. We need to develop a real CO2 sponge. Right now we see the oceans and rainforests as that. We need a sponge that we can control and sell in fractions.

HockeyDad wrote:

Brew,
Will you be topping this thread at every instance of a severe weather event?
Media sheeple are so predictable.



But I digress.
Let's play along.
Since you're not "ignorant" to the "facts" of man induced climate change, please enlighten us:
1. What percentage of our climate change is influenced by man?
2. What percentage of that is caused specifically by fossil fuel burning?
3. If man stopped burning fossil fuel yesterday, what would be the long term impact to climate?


Three simple questions.
If you want to tell me and my company what I can and can't do, you better have those answers. Because otherwise you're just following a media driven frenzy.
But don't fear. We won't call you ignorant.

tailgater wrote:

I'm curious Tail, whether you follow your Dr's advice on things like eating healthy and exercising...
Because all of your questions could easily be applied to that situation.

1. What percentage of my life-span will be due to my diet/exercise vs my genetics?
2. What percentage of that is specifically from eating McDonalds?
3. If I stopped eating McDonalds yesterday, how long would I live?

Yet I'm gonna bet that you take a Dr's recommendation that you eat healthier, exercise more with some greater amount of seriousness. You may even listen to them, despite the fact that eating healthier is more expensive, and exercising takes time which could be used to earn money.

The point, in case you missed it, is that answering those questions isn't actually necessary to show an understanding of the causality between two factors. It certainly would help in quantifying, but isn't necessary to at least know what direction to head. And while just like in environmental discussion, there is the health nut who thinks quinuoa shakes and 5 hours of exercise daily is going to make him live forever, you also don't want to be the idiot who eats 1lb of bacon daily in front of the couch and is surprised when he dies of a coronary at 50.

victor809 wrote: