Now you are just being ridiculous. If you think the minimum wage is OK, try living on $ 290 a week.

tonygraz wrote:

TBG,
Companies move their operations overseas for one of two reasons:
1. To support an overseas customer base
2. To save money while supporting North American sales.

It's bad PR to move abroad nowadays. But companies do it because it is the most cost effective solution in a competitive worldwide market.
How many Tens of Billions of dollars is our trade deficit?
We cry about the shrinking middle class, but where will they work when we move all operations abroad?

If we can balance the trade deficit and keep more jobs here it can only help the middle class.

When even our government and military is bidding out jobs overseas (Airbus anyone?) we are creating an economic avalanche that can only get worse.
We've accepted for decades the many countries who tax our goods coming onto their shores at a much higher rate than we tax theirs coming here.

It's time to reshift the balance in our favor.

tailgater wrote:

which does not address my post.

theoretically, and historically pure capitalism works when businesses get breaks, and I am all for that type of stimuli. But the reality in recent years has been that they have made tremendous record profits due to corporate welfare and bailouts and not created meaningful jobs that pay well. Many of the new returns to the workforce have not resulted in increased wages for American workers. It has created working poor. This has resulted in the shrinking middle class.

Perhaps corporate tax breaks and free stuff should have requirements attached...? Just asking cuz I am not a genius.

frankj1 wrote:

TBG,
Companies move their operations overseas for one of two reasons:
1. To support an overseas customer base
2. To save money while supporting North American sales.

It's bad PR to move abroad nowadays. But companies do it because it is the most cost effective solution in a competitive worldwide market.
How many Tens of Billions of dollars is our trade deficit?
We cry about the shrinking middle class, but where will they work when we move all operations abroad?

If we can balance the trade deficit and keep more jobs here it can only help the middle class.

When even our government and military is bidding out jobs overseas (Airbus anyone?) we are creating an economic avalanche that can only get worse.
We've accepted for decades the many countries who tax our goods coming onto their shores at a much higher rate than we tax theirs coming here.

It's time to reshift the balance in our favor.

tailgater wrote:

they have created jobs - just not here

increasing oversight, wage hikes and benefit mandates sound great, especially on paper. but businesses are charged with making a profit and it is hard to mandate ethics. innovation is fantastic and has made our lives easier but the loss of manufacture has left many out of work. make no mistake, manufacture still matters but rather than reaping the benefits through expanding the workforce here, we get to buy plastic stuff made elsewhere at a decreased price. none of this really matters to me or you and definitely not to the super rich but it insures that the poor will continue to get poorer and more complacent.

gummy jones wrote:

either you are agreeing with me, or making my point for me...

frankj1 wrote:

...

tony, I am sure you have so many things made from China/ Mexico/ Hong Kong.. you are not telling us about.. probably your smart phone/ clothes, your grill, refrigerator, but I expect hypocrisy from the left, always.

teddyballgame wrote:

What smart phone ? Grill is too old to be an import. Clothes- maybe something, but I did buy sneakers made in USA recently (new balance). And as an old aficionado of the Amana colonies in Iowa (along with Frankj1) you can assume where my fridge with the freezer on the bottom was made.

tonygraz wrote:

Somebody had to do it...
o:)

tailgater wrote:

New Balance for me too!

frankj1 wrote:

either you are agreeing with me, or making my point for me...

frankj1 wrote:

The old gray mare she ain't what it used to be... :-" :-"

tailgater wrote:

So, in your "world of economics".. you hike the min wage to $15, causing those with lower skills to either not be hired, or be replaced with automation and on top of that, the bad companies raise prices on their goods and wack the consumer again.

So the lower tier of our economic system gets nailed twice with your method. ( I am not using "class" as that is a Marxist term and there is not a caste system in the U.S.)


Your are a perfect mouthpiece for the left.

teddyballgame wrote:

Those words are backed by factual analysis of what happens in the "real world" when bad policy is enacted.

Liberals don't deal in reality. They deal in what makes them feel good and consequences don't matter.

Of course you don't "hear" them. Progressive, liberal democrats are the most closed minded people on earth.

No facts, reasoning, or logic is going to make you look at how bad your progressive programs are and make you objectively assess them.

Facts to a liberal are like kryptonite to Superman.

So the best thing for you to do is avoid them at all costs.

teddyballgame wrote: