Brewha
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10 years ago

I have never advocated to remove the minimum wage.
And you can deny the dart board, but the $15 suggestion is absolutely arbitrary. It sounds good to the bleeding hearts and to the slouches who might want to rely on forced pay hike rather than an earned one.

But your most alarming words are your last paragraph.
Businesses don't "take a profit by percentage of their costs".
If that were true, companies wouldn't spend money to streamline costs. They'd simply raise prices. Hell, they'd want to increase costs so their profits could go up.
Repeat that last sentence out loud.
Sounds stupid, right? Well it's exactly what you said.

tailgater wrote:


Well I'm in the industrial equipment business (but nessisarily white). And when the price of steel goes up we pass along the cost increase, by percentage, to customers. It's in our standard contract. So we make more $$$.

We spend tons of efficencey and cost savings. But that almost all goes to profits......
teddyballgame
10 years ago
So, in your "world of economics".. you hike the min wage to $15, causing those with lower skills to either not be hired, or be replaced with automation and on top of that, the bad companies raise prices on their goods and wack the consumer again.

So the lower tier of our economic system gets nailed twice with your method. ( I am not using "class" as that is a Marxist term and there is not a caste system in the U.S.)


Your are a perfect mouthpiece for the left.
Covfireman
10 years ago
So, in your world of economics you cut wages to workers ,increase CEO pay , causing the workers to have to work longer hours,increasing their time away from the family, then let their kids go out and buy one of the guns you made sure are available causing a mass shooting the blame it on religion? So every tier of the economy gets nailed multiple times while you have part of society brainwashed into thinking you're doing it for them ?




By the way the only gun control I believe in is a 1/4 " group at least 300 meters .

99cobra2881
10 years ago

So, in your world of economics you cut wages to workers ,increase CEO pay , causing the workers to have to work longer hours,increasing their time away from the family, then let their kids go out and buy one of the guns you made sure are available causing a mass shooting the blame it on religion? So every tier of the economy gets nailed multiple times while you have part of society brainwashed into thinking you're doing it for them ?




By the way the only gun control I believe in is a 1/4 " group at least 300 meters .

Covfireman wrote:




Typical lib call for gun control but not for yourself. Can't have it both ways.

Reminds me of the $15 per hour groups in Seattle that were looking for temp employees but were only offering to pay them minimum wage.

teddyballgame
10 years ago
By the way, what was with the question in the debate,
"Do black lives matter, or do all lives matter?"

What the hell is with that flavor of the month question?

Clinton dodged it, Commie boy declared "black lives matter" (of course they do, but asian lives don't?), Omalley. the same thing.

All lives matter, you idiots. Black, white, brown, etc.

Jim Webb is the only one who answered like a "normal' person.
tonygraz
10 years ago
Of course all lives matter, but the question was about black lives and he answered the question specifically. You seem to be just looking for something to complain about.
borndead1
10 years ago

Well I'm in the industrial equipment business (but nessisarily white). And when the price of steel goes up we pass along the cost increase, by percentage, to customers. It's in our standard contract. So we make more $$$.

We spend tons of efficencey and cost savings. But that almost all goes to profits......

Brewha wrote:




And when the price of labor goes up, companies will pass the cost increase along to consumers. Or they may cut workers. Or they may implement more automation. Or a combination of all three.

frankj1
10 years ago
automation creates jobs.

recycling has created tons of jobs.

changes can be opportunities...especially in our land of entrepreneurs.
Covfireman
10 years ago

Typical lib call for gun control but not for yourself. Can't have it both ways.

Reminds me of the $15 per hour groups in Seattle that were looking for temp employees but were only offering to pay them minimum wage.

99cobra2881 wrote:




LOL no 99cobra2881 I'm not for gun control unless I'm shooting at something . I think we need to enforce the existing laws in some states and in other states we need their laws rolled back because they infring on the second amendment.
gummy jones
10 years ago

automation creates jobs.

recycling has created tons of jobs.

changes can be opportunities...especially in our land of entrepreneurs.

frankj1 wrote:



http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-9MJXhMcFSSQ/TbjX0NLZc0I/AAAAAAAAAW4/i_bbtvyLWmc/s1600/sheetz.jpg 

Look at all those jobs
frankj1
10 years ago

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-9MJXhMcFSSQ/TbjX0NLZc0I/AAAAAAAAAW4/i_bbtvyLWmc/s1600/sheetz.jpg

Look at all those jobs

gummy jones wrote:


which does not address my post.

theoretically, and historically pure capitalism works when businesses get breaks, and I am all for that type of stimuli. But the reality in recent years has been that they have made tremendous record profits due to corporate welfare and bailouts and not created meaningful jobs that pay well. Many of the new returns to the workforce have not resulted in increased wages for American workers. It has created working poor. This has resulted in the shrinking middle class.

Perhaps corporate tax breaks and free stuff should have requirements attached...? Just asking cuz I am not a genius.
tonygraz
10 years ago

And when the price of labor goes up, companies will pass the cost increase along to consumers. Or they may cut workers. Or they may implement more automation. Or a combination of all three.

borndead1 wrote:




And when workers make more money they have more money to spend, creating demand for more products leading to a growing economy.
tailgater
10 years ago

Well I'm in the industrial equipment business (but nessisarily white). And when the price of steel goes up we pass along the cost increase, by percentage, to customers. It's in our standard contract. So we make more $$$.

We spend tons of efficencey and cost savings. But that almost all goes to profits......

Brewha wrote:



Please don't confuse a Pricing Index with costs.

Your prices wouldn't be raised simply because your costs went up. Employee wages, Insurance, Electricity, etc.

There are times when the cost of oil has an influence as well, on the price of raw materials and also on transportation. The feedstock can be tied to the index, and the transportation can be handled with predetermined surcharges.

But none of these are a simple matter of raising prices to meet raising costs.



tailgater
10 years ago

which does not address my post.

theoretically, and historically pure capitalism works when businesses get breaks, and I am all for that type of stimuli. But the reality in recent years has been that they have made tremendous record profits due to corporate welfare and bailouts and not created meaningful jobs that pay well. Many of the new returns to the workforce have not resulted in increased wages for American workers. It has created working poor. This has resulted in the shrinking middle class.

Perhaps corporate tax breaks and free stuff should have requirements attached...? Just asking cuz I am not a genius.

frankj1 wrote:



Nobody wants corporate tax breaks, but we all b*tch and moan when corporation move overseas for the lower tax rates.

The only obvious solution is to move towards higher import tariffs, even at the risk of being viewed as isolationists.
tailgater
10 years ago

And when the price of labor goes up, companies will pass the cost increase along to consumers. Or they may cut workers. Or they may implement more automation. Or a combination of all three.

borndead1 wrote:



A combination of all three.
But don't forget Lower Profits.

I think it's amazing that so many people believe that private businesses behave like public bodies who are able to simply meet their budget because it's been approved.
Businesses have to earn it. Government simply raise taxes or steal the money from another entity. Usually the children or the crippled or the veterans, based on the rhetoric we hear.

tailgater
10 years ago

And when workers make more money they have more money to spend, creating demand for more products leading to a growing economy.

tonygraz wrote:



You're right!
Let's raise the wages to $75/hour!
Think of the spending they'll do.



teddyballgame
10 years ago

And when workers make more money they have more money to spend, creating demand for more products leading to a growing economy.

tonygraz wrote:



If you jump the min wage, sure workers make more money, but the cost of almost everything will go up, with inflation. Money is now not worth that much, and I can hear the cries of "raise the min wage again!" already.

And there are those workers who get fired, or have their hours cut back and don't forget about the workers that are not hired because a business cannot afford to take on another employee. This happens in small businesses and little restaurants every time the min wage is hiked.

Liberals only care about intentions, never results.
teddyballgame
10 years ago

Nobody wants corporate tax breaks, but we all b*tch and moan when corporation move overseas for the lower tax rates.

The only obvious solution is to move towards higher import tariffs, even at the risk of being viewed as isolationists.

tailgater wrote:




Tailgater, I disagree with you here.

Many economists say we tax our businesses too much. We one of the few, if not the only country that taxes our companies abroad that would bring money into the U.S. They get taxed abroad and then taxed again if they bring that money back- so they don't do it.

If we lower the barriers on companies, they will invest it here, keep businesses here, etc. I am not talking about corporate welfare, where the government gives them money ( hello Solyndra) to do business.
Businesses just don't stuff money under mattresses, they invest, expand, create more jobs when more money is freed up.
Could you imagine the economic boom if we let companies bring that money back with no massive tax penalties?

Tariffs are not the answer. Massive tariffs from the Smoot-Hawley helped catapult the U.S. into the great depression. Other countries retaliated with their own tariffs and world trade plummeted by 60+% 2 yrs after this tariff act, the unemployment rate was 25%.

tonygraz
10 years ago

You're right!
Let's raise the wages to $75/hour!
Think of the spending they'll do.

tailgater wrote:



Now you are just being ridiculous. If you think the minimum wage is OK, try living on $ 290 a week.
tailgater
10 years ago
TBG,
Companies move their operations overseas for one of two reasons:
1. To support an overseas customer base
2. To save money while supporting North American sales.

It's bad PR to move abroad nowadays. But companies do it because it is the most cost effective solution in a competitive worldwide market.
How many Tens of Billions of dollars is our trade deficit?
We cry about the shrinking middle class, but where will they work when we move all operations abroad?

If we can balance the trade deficit and keep more jobs here it can only help the middle class.

When even our government and military is bidding out jobs overseas (Airbus anyone?) we are creating an economic avalanche that can only get worse.
We've accepted for decades the many countries who tax our goods coming onto their shores at a much higher rate than we tax theirs coming here.

It's time to reshift the balance in our favor.


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