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teddyballgame
Aficionado

10 years ago

#121

teeddub, sorry about the Christie/Kasich thing, I think I crossed you with victor. My bad

teedubbya
Herf-A-Holic

10 years ago

#122

Easy mistake to make with victor being a cross dresser and all.

So the equipment is more refined but the concept is the same. I've always thought of politics as a circle rather than a straight line. The further left or right you go the closer you get to the bottom of the circle and the more alike you become. The top of their circle (that y'all hate and drone on about) are similar as are the bottom. The bottom while being similar to each other in extremism and tactics are ideologically opposite however and won't work together. The top and east west sides if you will may work together. Both parties will ultimately reject the bottom and will work things out marginalizing the bottom. But the pendulum always swings back for awhile. The one constant is neither party's extreme wing every controls policy for any length of time relatively speaking. And the loons will bee ultimately seen for what they are even if not obvious to some at the time. Right now the loons are loose. It will change.

Brewha
Herf-A-Holic

10 years ago

#123

teeddub, sorry about the Christie/Kasich thing, I think I crossed you with victor. My bad

teddyballgame wrote:

Ladies and gentlemen, Teddyballgame, the apologetic.

And some don't believe in God......

victor809
Herf-A-Holic

10 years ago

#124

The president shuts down the government, not the congress- THE PRESIDENT- the government cannot be shut down by congress.

Obama is responsible for the government shut down. As he was THE PRESIDENT.. got that?

BTW, Carter shut down the government 5 times.

Reagan 8 times.

and when the government shuts down, is anyone really affected? Non essential government does not shut down and 83% of government was considered essential and was still NOT SHUT DOWN in the last shut down.

The government shuts down every weekend and on national holidays and how on earth do we "peons" cope with life?

"Oh mercy help me lordy! I can't function without big brother telling me what to do! Where are my pants? Who is going to tell me what to eat? A lightbulb in my home is out.. which type is government telling me to use? Why oh why can't I function?"

We all rejoice when the DMV and the Post office again reopens, so we can breathe a sigh of relief that all is right with the world.

teddyballgame wrote:

First.... huh? Now I'm not a government expert, but I'm guessing you aren't either, because I did a rudimentary wikipedia search and the government shutdown (2013) was due to the house and senate being unable to come to an agreement on the budget. Since the president doesn't get to write or approve the budget, I don't see how he can be responsible for the shutdown. I'm sure as the government expert you can enlighten us all... (and I'm sure your answer will be "obama shut it down because he threatened to veto the bills they would have submitted so they couldn't submit anything")...

As for "is anyone really affected"... that's a stupid question. At minimum the taxpayers paid for two weeks of vacation for essentially everyone in government. Sure they didn't get paid immediately, but all furloughed employees were given back pay for the time they were furloughed. I thought you were for reducing the cost of government.

ZRX1200
Herf-A-Holic

10 years ago

#125

DemoncRAT controlled senate backed by a PO (S)TUS veto.

victor809
Herf-A-Holic

10 years ago

#126

DemoncRAT controlled senate backed by a PO (S)TUS veto.

ZRX1200 wrote:

Really Z? I expect the childish name games from some others here, not really from you.

You do realize that demons don't exist, and that putting an "n" in the name doesn't make these politicians real-life demons, right?

banderl
Herf-A-Holic

10 years ago

#127

victor809 wrote:

What if he's some kind of a warlock or something?

Brewha
Herf-A-Holic

10 years ago

#128

What if he's some kind of a warlock or something?

banderl wrote:

Could be a Jackalope.....

ZRX1200
Herf-A-Holic

10 years ago

#129

It's called "thread CPR" you're welcome.

Brewha
Herf-A-Holic

10 years ago

#130

I hear tell the chupacabra are making a comeback.....

teddyballgame
Aficionado

10 years ago

#131

victor809 wrote:

victor I am not surprised you don't know who is ultimately responsible for government shutdowns. The house passed a bill and sent it to the Senate and Harry Reid wouldn't take up the spending bill and put it to a vote. If we follow your "logic", since the Dems didn't pass a budget in Reid's tenure, the government should have shut down then, every year.

The President is responsible for a government shutdown. It has been done 18 times since Ford and every time, it has been said that the president (either party) shut down the government....until this time. Just because the media repeats the lie over and over, doesn't make it so.

Here, read Thomas Sowell, a brilliant economist:

http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2013/10/04/who-shut-down-the-government-n1716292/page/full

teedubbya
Herf-A-Holic

10 years ago

#132

Love him or hate him Newt owned his shutdown and it was orchestrated and planned. As were Tip's. If you go back and read the contemporary headlines it usually falls on congress who of course has the power of the purse. Newts writings make it clear it was his and he's proud of it. He had a plan. The current congress doesn't.

Revisionist history is an interesting thing.

victor809
Herf-A-Holic

10 years ago

#133

teddyballgame wrote:

I'm not surprised there is a lot about government which I don't know. But I read to fill the gaps.

I am surprised you think you know what happens in the government, since you don't even bother reading the articles you use to defend your position. That article didn't say it was Obama's government shutdown. The article simply defended the House's right to submit any budget they want. How exactly do you think you can blame this on Obama still? He wasn't responsible for proposing the budget or passing it, and he never got an opportunity to veto it.

But go on... Tell us how it's always the president who shuts down the government.

You don't actually think there's a but red switch or something do you?

teddyballgame
Aficionado

10 years ago

#134

Pull quote from the article:

"If Senator Reid and President Obama refuse to accept the money required to run the government, because it leaves out the money they want to run ObamaCare, that is their right. But that is also their responsibility.

You cannot blame other people for not giving you everything you want. And it is a fraud to blame them when you refuse to use the money they did vote, even when it is ample to pay for everything else in the government.

The ball is in the president's court, no matter whose party it is.

Government shutdowns are the exclusive result of presidential inaction.

It happens, the presidents own it.. I am good with it.. the essential business of the government is not shutdown.
Money is coming in, the debt is paid first, SS checks and military checks are going out, etc.

As I stated before, Reagan shut it down 8 times and it was on him- I am not blaming the Dems in congress in those situations.

I liked Newt and when the shut down occurred, it was on Clinton- he was sent a bill and he vetoed it.

Not exactly revisionist history here.

Furthermore, I am not sure what a "but red switch" is. but it sounds kinda kinky and it is probably something Bill Clinton had installed while in office.
I am not down for that.

Edited by user 10 years ago | Reason: Not specified

tonygraz
Herf-A-Holic

10 years ago

#135

Now I know why you like Cruz. He said he shut the government down and then a few weeks later said he didn't (and probably blamed it on Obama).

teedubbya
Herf-A-Holic

10 years ago

#136

🙄

Speyside
Herf-A-Holic

10 years ago

#137

So the president should sign a budget/spending bill whether he agrees with it or not? Even if the bill never gets to his desk it's still his fault for a government shutdown? No one gets hurt even if there is no money to pay for various services?