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teddyballgame
Aficionado

10 years ago

#141

I didn't say the president should or shouldn't sign anything.. that is up to him and up to the congress to over ride it or not.

83% of the government does not get shut down and all essential services.. we are not going to "default" as the lie goes. There is money to pay.. do taxes stop coming in with a government shutdown?

teedubbya
Herf-A-Holic

10 years ago

#142

one of the biggest problems with our government is there is no correlation between taxes collected and expenditures.

teddyballgame
Aficionado

10 years ago

#143

Now I know why you like Cruz. He said he shut the government down and then a few weeks later said he didn't (and probably blamed it on Obama).

tonygraz wrote:

I didn't see that quote.

perhaps you can provide proof on your statement?

teedubbya
Herf-A-Holic

10 years ago

#144

I'm sorry... 😞

DrafterX wrote:

Nice mannered kid, just a little on the dumb side

teddyballgame
Aficionado

10 years ago

#145

one of the biggest problems with our government is there is no correlation between taxes collected and expenditures.

teedubbya wrote:

Here Here!

That is why Milton Freedman's suggestion of the government only being allowed to spend 17 or 18% of GDP every year is a good idea.

teedubbya
Herf-A-Holic

10 years ago

#146

I'm with Teddy on this one. I don't think Ted ever owned it. He is disingenuous and would never do so.

victor809
Herf-A-Holic

10 years ago

#147

Pull quote from the article:

"If Senator Reid and President Obama refuse to accept the money required to run the government, because it leaves out the money they want to run ObamaCare, that is their right. But that is also their responsibility.

You cannot blame other people for not giving you everything you want. And it is a fraud to blame them when you refuse to use the money they did vote, even when it is ample to pay for everything else in the government.

The ball is in the president's court, no matter whose party it is.

Government shutdowns are the exclusive result of presidential inaction.

teddyballgame wrote:

... dude...
You realize that if the bill doesn't get to the president, he can't "refuse to accept" the money... right? If the senate had passed it and Obama refused to sign it then it would be Obama's shutdown. But it never got that far. The fact that you keep trying to pin this on Obama sort of highlights how myopic you are on this issue.... A partisan might choose to blame this on Republican congress for passing a bill that they knew would never get through. A partisan might choose to blame this on Democrat Senators for refusing to pass the republican budget (which they wouldn't pass because the republican congress refused to include obamacare).... but it takes a special sort of lack of understanding to blame it on the part of our government it never got to.

It happens, the presidents own it.. I am good with it.. the essential business of the government is not shutdown.
Money is coming in, the debt is paid first, SS checks and military checks are going out, etc.

As I stated before, Reagan shut it down 8 times and it was on him- I am not blaming the Dems in congress in those situations.

I liked Newt and when the shut down occurred, it was on Clinton- he was sent a bill and he vetoed it.

Not exactly revisionist history here.

first, a shutdown costs money. Everyone furloughed eventually gets paid even if they do no work. A government shutdown is simply increasing expense, which if you're a true conservative you should be against... so don't give me that "hurts no one" bs...
Second, your reagan examples were from him actually vetoing bills. You know... bills that made it to his desk because the senate and house agreed on it.
Third, and hilariously, aren't you the one who said reagan never compromised??? Look through the resolution of those shutdowns and you'll find he frequently got some of what he wanted and gave of some of what he wanted for the shutdown to end.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/09/25/here-is-every-previous-government-shutdown-why-they-happened-and-how-they-ended/

Furthermore, I am not sure what a "but red switch" is. but it sounds kinda kinky and it is probably something Bill Clinton had installed while in office.
I am not down for that.

That was supposed to read "big red switch"....
Your lack of kink is your own issue.

DrafterX
Herf-A-Holic

10 years ago

#148

Anything that happens under Obama's watch is Obama's fault... unless the rules changed since Bush was in office... 😟

victor809
Herf-A-Holic

10 years ago

#149

Anything that happens under Obama's watch is Obama's fault... unless the rules changed since Bush was in office... 😟

DrafterX wrote:

I don't recall bush ever being blamed for actions of congress. Do you? Can you link a thread?

DrafterX
Herf-A-Holic

10 years ago

#150

Everything is still Bush's fault... I think you're purposely not seeing the point again just to argue... 😳

victor809
Herf-A-Holic

10 years ago

#151

Everything is still Bush's fault... I think you're purposely not seeing the point again just to argue... 😳

DrafterX wrote:

Plenty of things are bush's fault. Just as plenty of things are obama's fault. Things that relate directly to the executive branch of the US government.... invading countries, not invading countries... hell, I'll even blame obama for obamacare (even though, despite how much conservatives want to claim otherwise, it was passed through congress as a bill)... but I'd like you to find a single instance on cbid where bush was blamed for congress not passing something.