DrafterX
10 years ago
What is funnier than a dead baby..??
A dead baby in a clown costume... 🤣
dstieger
10 years ago
What? Clowns suck.

What do you give a dead baby for its birthday?
A dead puppy.

Now, how does it feel?
Brewha
10 years ago
So the first cannibal says to the second cannibal;
“Does this clown taste funny?”
DrafterX
10 years ago

What? Clowns suck.

What do you give a dead baby for its birthday?
A dead puppy.

Now, how does it feel?

dstieger wrote:





😠
tailgater
10 years ago

Look, you may believe that and egg is a human life even if it is unfertilized - more power to you.

Me - I've already spoke my piece.

Brewha wrote:



Who said an egg was a human life?
The fact that you have to lie in order to make you point speaks volumes.

Brewha
10 years ago

Who said an egg was a human life?
The fact that you have to lie in order to make you point speaks volumes.

tailgater wrote:


Lie? No sir. I meant you may believe whatever you like. It matters not to me. Mice nuts.

And in person I am rather soft spoke – that is I speak with little volume….
tailgater
10 years ago

That was what I found with a quick read. I do not by any means think the issue is that simple. But I did want to clearly differentiate between fetus and baby. This is where legal rights change greatly under present laws if I understood what I read.

From a moral viewpoint it becomes much simpler for me. Once the fetus is viable it should be protected.

Speyside wrote:



Thread jacking my own thread here, but the term "viable" is the key.
Viable how?
If keeping it alive with a machine counts, then today's fetus becomes tomorrows "viable baby" since we can assume our equipment will get better over time.

And is it "morality" that we're trying to define?
At some point, it's just common sense.
example:
If a woman wants to abort after 8 months, she would have to have a medical procedure to kill "it".
In other words, she would have to do "something" to prevent it from living.
If the same woman gave birth and decided she didn't want a baby after 1 month, she could technically do nothing and it would die.
Is this her "choice"?
Rhetorical, yes. But people get so caught up in the word "choice" that they forget what their choosing.
Religious freaks frown on contraception.
But there's a middle ground between the RU486 pill and a third term abortion a week before delivery. Since nobody here can tell us that precise moment when a fetus becomes a baby my gut (not my religion) says to err on the side of life.
But saying this out loud makes people like Brewha falsify what I'm saying in order to give legs to his narrow minded viewpoint.
The subject wasn't even ABOUT abortion, but because it was used in the example I provided to start the thread we get the Brewha's of the world wetting themselves in a fury over religion.
It would be comical if it weren't so sad.

DrafterX
10 years ago
teddyballgame
10 years ago

Thread jacking my own thread here, but the term "viable" is the key.
Viable how?
If keeping it alive with a machine counts, then today's fetus becomes tomorrows "viable baby" since we can assume our equipment will get better over time.

And is it "morality" that we're trying to define?
At some point, it's just common sense.
example:
If a woman wants to abort after 8 months, she would have to have a medical procedure to kill "it".
In other words, she would have to do "something" to prevent it from living.
If the same woman gave birth and decided she didn't want a baby after 1 month, she could technically do nothing and it would die.
Is this her "choice"?
Rhetorical, yes. But people get so caught up in the word "choice" that they forget what their choosing.
Religious freaks frown on contraception.
But there's a middle ground between the RU486 pill and a third term abortion a week before delivery. Since nobody here can tell us that precise moment when a fetus becomes a baby my gut (not my religion) says to err on the side of life.
But saying this out loud makes people like Brewha falsify what I'm saying in order to give legs to his narrow minded viewpoint.
The subject wasn't even ABOUT abortion, but because it was used in the example I provided to start the thread we get the Brewha's of the world wetting themselves in a fury over religion.
It would be comical if it weren't so sad.

tailgater wrote:





+1
tonygraz
10 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4mGrNGuJTM

8-[

DrafterX wrote:



R U sure it was Guberment cheese you liked ?
teedubbya
10 years ago
I like to go back and read the press from the time things happened. Reagan moved forward and was applauded. This is nothing new and the outrage is duly noted. Then Clinton backed them off and bush was even more aggressive with clintons eos.

Reagan to Use Executive Orders to Bypass Congress
August 21, 1987|JACK NELSON | Times Washington Bureau Chief
WASHINGTON — With 17 months of his presidency remaining, Ronald Reagan will bank on executive orders and judicial action to implement social policies that he cannot persuade Congress to enact, Gary L. Bauer, the President's chief domestic policy adviser, declared Thursday.

Bauer, the feisty attorney Reagan named to push his social issue agenda, said the President may accomplish some of his goals in such areas as abortion and pornography through a series of executive orders and by his appointment of conservative judges to the federal judiciary, including his nomination of Judge Robert H. Bork to the Supreme Court.

"With a hostile Congress that doesn't show much sign of coming toward us on some of these issues, it behooves us to take the initiative when we can take it," Bauer said.

There are a number of things "the President can unilaterally do," Bauer said, as evidenced by the plan Reagan announced three weeks ago to curb federal funding for organizations and groups that support abortion.


The plan will drastically restrict the ability of 4,500 federally funded family-planning clinics to give their patients information about abortion. Critics contend that it violates the intent of Congress by using regulations to achieve a purpose Congress rejected and violates the First Amendment by impeding the flow of information.

Bauer, 41, relatively little-known in his earlier Administration assignments, may become an increasingly influential figure in the remaining months of the Reagan White House. He shares many social and political beliefs held by the President and is regarded as an effective advocate of such conservative views on many key issues.

Interviewed at a breakfast session with reporters and editors of The Times' Washington Bureau, Bauer said executive orders may also be used to combat pornography and that his staff is studying a proposed executive order that would ban the sale of pornographic material on post exchanges at military bases.

The issue raises obvious constitutional questions, he said, and is being studied because "we want to make sure whatever we do is legal." Bauer said some spot checks made by outside groups disclosed "some really remarkably inappropriate material being sold in PXs." He did not identify the groups.

"I guess the analogy I would use (is): Does anybody think it would be acceptable if a PX sold material that was racially bigoted? Let's say we found that a PX had material in it by the klan calling certain races various things. I don't think anybody would bat an eye if the President issued an executive order saying that we will not exploit racial differences in government bookstores on Army bases. It seems to me that it's not that far a step to say nor will we sell material that is offensive to women," he said.

Opposition in Congress

Pornography is the one social issue where the Administration plans to introduce legislation even though heavy opposition can be expected in Congress. Bauer said legislation will be introduced to "try to implement" the report proposing restrictions on distribution of pornography that Atty. Gen. Edwin Meese III delivered last year.

Bauer, a short and round-faced man, is a self-described "Reagan true believer," who served as undersecretary of education before being appointed assistant to the President for policy development last Jan. 30.

At the Education Department and the White House, he has endeared himself to the Republican right wing and incurred the wrath of the Democratic left wing by fighting tenaciously for the President's social issues agenda and blaming liberals for many of the social problems plaguing the nation today.

Study of Family Life

At the Education Department, he headed a 22-member interdepartmental group that studied American family life for seven months and concluded that "two liberal decades" had resulted in increased crime, illegitimate birth, drug use, teen-age pregnancy, divorce, poverty and sexually transmitted disease. Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D-N.Y.), an expert on welfare policy, called the report "less a policy paper than a tantrum" and charged: "They're not writing from facts. This is just ideology."



It goes on to talk about other things like Bork.
victor809
10 years ago
Hang on... Reagan had executive orders against porn?


Worst president ever....
tonygraz
10 years ago
Musta been when Nancy was telling him what to do.
DrafterX
10 years ago
I heard he had his aides round up all the porn they could find and stock-pile it for him... 😟
Speyside
10 years ago
What did her astrologist say?
tonygraz
10 years ago

I heard he had his aides round up all the porn they could find and stock-pile it for him... 😟

DrafterX wrote:



Are you sure that wasn't Kennedy with the Cuban cigars ?
DrafterX
10 years ago
Apparently they all do it... Clinton tried to hide some cigars as well.... 😟
tailgater
10 years ago

Are you sure that wasn't Kennedy with the Cuban cigars ?

tonygraz wrote:



Holy sh*t.
You are almost brain dead aren't you?

Captain F*cking obvious.


tailgater
10 years ago

Apparently they all do it... Clinton tried to hide some cigars as well.... 😟

DrafterX wrote:



And became the inspiration for Lars Teton....
DrafterX
10 years ago

Holy sh*t.
You are almost brain dead aren't you?

Captain F*cking obvious.


tailgater wrote:




🤣 I just let it go....
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