tj2001cobra
Tuesday, February 2, 2016 5:47:07 PM
Got 4 boxes of Cubans today from my order I placed with IH. The box of Ramon Allones SCC doesn't have a box code. Wth? Anyone heard of this happening? Everything else looks correct but these is no date. looks like someone penciled in the number 31 above the word mano.

I wouldn't think a counterfeiter would leave that off. Just a slip from the factory maybe?

NapalmMan67
Tuesday, February 2, 2016 6:23:09 PM
Hmmm... Supposed to get mine by next Friday. Will check and see what's on there.
ZRX1200
Tuesday, February 2, 2016 6:23:35 PM
More than likely. They are a gray market site, so more inconsistencies are expected.
shaun341
Tuesday, February 2, 2016 6:35:10 PM
You can always check the number on the seal for peace of mind but I would guess it to be just a slip from the factory.

frankj1
Tuesday, February 2, 2016 8:00:03 PM

Got 4 boxes of Cubans today from my order I placed with IH. The box of Ramon Allones SCC doesn't have a box code. Wth? Anyone heard of this happening? Everything else looks correct but these is no date. looks like someone penciled in the number 31 above the word mano.

I wouldn't think a counterfeiter would leave that off. Just a slip from the factory maybe?

tj2001cobra wrote:

you are talking box code, not bar code, correct?

If you have any doubt after sampling the product, I have a feeling Bryan would swap.

deadeyedick
Tuesday, February 2, 2016 8:16:59 PM
I have never seen a complete missing box code but I have seen some stamped very lightly enough to miss a digit or be hard to read.
rfenst
Tuesday, February 2, 2016 10:48:12 PM
factory error or grey marketeer sanded it off?

FWIW, RASCC are probably not worth counterfeiting.

If you trust your vendor, I'd bet they are just fine!

euodias
Tuesday, February 2, 2016 11:13:16 PM
I've heard of it happening. Probably just got missed at the factory. Cuba being Cuba.
tj2001cobra
Tuesday, February 2, 2016 11:36:25 PM

you are talking box code, not bar code, correct?

If you have any doubt after sampling the product, I have a feeling Bryan would swap.

frankj1 wrote:

The box code. The bar code, along with all of the other seals, labels,etc, is there.

So what is meant by grey market? They are not a legal distributor? Where do they get their cigars?

The reason I dont order from PE any more is because I've heard of issues with their cigars. Is this the same circumstance?

tj2001cobra
Tuesday, February 2, 2016 11:38:00 PM

factory error or grey marketeer sanded it off?

FWIW, RASCC are probably not worth counterfeiting.

If you trust your vendor, I'd bet they are just fine!

rfenst wrote:

Definitely not sanded or lightly stamped. The wood is uniform.

I felt the same way that I doubted the RASCC would be worth it to counterfeiters. This is the first time ordering from this vendor so I dont necessarily trust them. Just going by word of mouth.

tj2001cobra
Tuesday, February 2, 2016 11:59:32 PM
This is what Habanos.com says:

The product is original from Habanos S.A.

HSA: 10.7052.24.0190

Descripcion: RAMON ALLONES SMALL CLUB CORONAS CB-UW-C/L-12,13-n-25

Anyone know what all the numbers mean?

cacman
Wednesday, February 3, 2016 12:25:40 AM
Site appears to be a technology make-over of a site I didn't trust before.

By no means am I an expert, but don't recognize those codes. Do they register with the reputable code sites?

BTW - Congrats on the sale of your biz. Best wishes on a new start bro.

ZRX1200
Wednesday, February 3, 2016 2:15:41 AM
They're fine, I've never had an issue with them like I did with PE.
shaun341
Wednesday, February 3, 2016 6:48:02 AM

This is what Habanos.com says:

The product is original from Habanos S.A.

HSA: 10.7052.24.0190

Descripcion: RAMON ALLONES SMALL CLUB CORONAS CB-UW-C/L-12,13-n-25

Anyone know what all the numbers mean?

tj2001cobra wrote:

I am not sure what all the numbers mean but I think that should ease the worries some. Also I have placed quite a few orders with where you got these and I would consider them a reputable source. Have exchanged emails in the past to and response has always been fast and helpful.

SRH1
Wednesday, February 3, 2016 11:00:07 AM

So what is meant by grey market? They are not a legal distributor? Where do they get their cigars?

The reason I dont order from PE any more is because I've heard of issues with their cigars. Is this the same circumstance?

tj2001cobra wrote:

'Grey market' is pretty much any NON LCDH distributor. Most 'grey Market' vendors purchase their boxes from legit LCDH sources or other legit 'grey market' vendors. The bar code is often 'removed' to protect the ID of the LCDH source.

Several 'grey market' vendors draw from the same warehouse....same stock owned by a well respected 'grey market' vendor. Pricing difference (often lower) can be attributed to lower overhead cost for vendors who don't have cash tied up in inventory.

It's all about leveraging volume for the 'grey market' vendor carrying inventory costs. Here's a clue...

The vendor who provides box codes and permits customers to select specific codes is the one who controls the inventory. His prices are sometimes a bit higher than others selling from his warehouse because of OH costs. Many think it's worth a few extra bucks for a specific code or a box with a year or two of rest.

As for IH.....absolutely no worries whatsoever. Bryan is excellent to deal with in every way. Have had very minor issues which he addressed to my complete satisfaction.

Buy with confidence!

PS....PE is usually ok, but yes, there have been issues....primarily mold. Best way to avoid that is to have the box inspected by the vendor. I have heard tho that PE has told customers the mold was 'plume' which is def. BS in the few cases I have first hand knkwledge of. Buyer beware...

ZRX1200
Wednesday, February 3, 2016 12:51:22 PM
^ nailed it.
rfenst
Wednesday, February 3, 2016 1:08:39 PM
I don't think PE will openand inspect boxes before shipping.
SRH1
Wednesday, February 3, 2016 1:24:03 PM

I don't think PE will openand inspect boxes before shipping.

rfenst wrote:

It's been a while but.....If memory serves correctly you have the option to check the box for inspection when you reach the payment details page during checkout. The handful Of orders I've placed with PE have been inspected and I've had no issues to date but I know others who have......

Numismaniac
Wednesday, February 3, 2016 1:32:20 PM
Anyone using PE should go to their sister site CE, cheaper prices, pm if you can't google the name

IH is my go to, and yes, SRH1 is right on the grey market, I've gotten more than a few with partially wiped upc codes from the label