Poll Question: Is Global Warming Real?
tonygraz
10 years ago
The Koch brothers are paying people lots of money to come up with any kind of data that supports the absence of Global warming and nitwits like t-ball buy the story. I think it was 1979 that was their favorite because it is the only one that they can refer to to get any kind of factual data for their support. Just what do all the scientists have to gain by proclaiming global warming and what to the fossil fuel people have to gain by denying it ?



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DrafterX
10 years ago
Gubment money... 😟
jjanecka
10 years ago
Most companies are onboard with Global Warming. It's just a political excuse to force innovation from those who are too lazy to advance or to weed out those who can't grow.
bs_kwaj
10 years ago

So, they say sea level will rise by 1 to 4 feet by the end of the century. Fact or fiction?

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tamapatom
10 years ago
It gets warm every summer at the same time everyone is driving cars to go on vacation . Suspicious.
DrafterX
10 years ago
I noticed the trees around here are starting to bloom and stuff.... prolly the end of the world soon... 🤔
bgz
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10 years ago

The Koch brothers are paying people lots of money to come up with any kind of data that supports the absence of Global warming and nitwits like t-ball buy the story. I think it was 1979 that was their favorite because it is the only one that they can refer to to get any kind of factual data for their support. Just what do all the scientists have to gain by proclaiming global warming and what to the fossil fuel people have to gain by denying it ?


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tonygraz wrote:




So you're saying NASA is releasing faulty data?
DrafterX
10 years ago
I heard Obama has stock in a company putting windmills on da moon... 😟
ZRX1200
10 years ago
Yeah and God knows there's NO money in the watermelon movement.

Run a non-profit. Sue for the spotted frog moth. Use administrative law to your advantage. Get settlement. Fund campaigns for Democrats who perpetuate the cycle.

Rinse repeat.
frankj1
10 years ago
I once saw a spotted salamander in my back yard. They are indigenous to the Blue Hills Reservation, which is just beyond my property line. I think they are currently migrating to vernal pools, whatever that means.

Global warming isn't confirmed by a warm February once in a while, nor is it negated by a cold June every so often. It is about climate, not the weather report on the 11:00 news.
ZRX1200
10 years ago
Environmental groups collecting millions from federal agencies they sue, studies show

By Joshua Rhett Miller


Deep-pocketed environmental groups are collecting millions of dollars from the federal agencies they regularly sue under a little-known federal law, and the government is not even keeping track of the payouts, according to two new studies.

Under the Equal Access to Justice Act, or EAJA — which was signed into law by President Carter in 1980 to help the little guy stand up to federal agencies — litigants with modest means who successfully show government agencies wronged them can get their legal fees back from the taxpayer.

But the act also covers 501(c)(3) nonprofits, including environmental groups that aggressively sue the feds to enforce land-use laws, the Clean Water and Clean Air acts and laws protecting endangered species. Their lawyers are getting reimbursed at rates as high as $750 an hour, sources tell FoxNews.com.

“It was intended for helping our nation's veterans, seniors and small business owners, but environmental groups have hijacked the so-called Equal Access to Justice Act and abused it to fund their own agenda,” Sen. John Barrasso, R-Wyo., told FoxNews.com. “Then you have small businesses and the American taxpayers left to foot the bill.”

Environmental groups, however, argue that the act is an important tool in their efforts to protect the public's interest in conservation, fighting pollution and ensuring the federal government follows its own rules.

“Litigation is not a moneymaker, and the litigation is being done to make a difference and make the world a better place,” Erik Molvar, executive director of the Wyoming-based Biodiversity Conservation Alliance, told FoxNews.com.

The exact taxpayer cost of the Equal Access to Justice Act remains unclear. The General Accounting Office, or GAO, tracked 525 legal fee reimbursements that totaled $44.4 million from 2001 through 2010, but found that only 10 of 75 agencies within the U.S. Department of Agriculture and Department of Interior could provide data on cases and attorney fee reimbursements.

“As a result, there was no way to readily determine who made claims, the total amount each department paid or awarded in attorney fees, who received the payments or statutes under which the cases were brought for the claims [for fiscal years 2000 through 2010],” the GAO report reads.

Barrasso fears that is only the tip of the iceberg.

“You’re talking about millions and millions of dollars,” Barrasso said. “There is a pressing need for more accountability and transparency. Even the government doesn’t know how much it's paying out — it’s disturbing.”

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A recent Notre Dame Journal of Legislation article said the law had a noble purpose once, but has produced an “incalculable waste of taxpayer money.”

“It is among the most wide-reaching statutes in the U.S. Code, and what it attempts to do is as complex in execution as it is simple in concept: to aid those who would otherwise be truly hurt by fighting the government when it acts without justification,” wrote Lowell Baier, author of the article and president of the Boone and Crockett Club, a Montana-based conservationist group. “But it is clear that EAJA is in need of reform.”

Critics say the act needs to be reformed in order to serve its original purpose. Baier calls for limiting it to small businesses and individuals and withholding or at least limiting payments where plaintiffs prevail on “process instead of substance.”

In May, Barrasso and Rep. Cynthia Lummis, R-Wyo., jointly introduced the Government Litigation Savings Act to reform the Equal Access to Justice Act. If passed, the bill would cap reimbursements at $200 per hour. It would also limit repetitive lawsuits and require full accounting of payments authorized by the Equal Access law, the GAO report found.

“Obviously it’s a David and Goliath situation when a senior citizen, small business or veteran takes on the federal government,” Lummis told FoxNews.com. “When money is being spent trying to practice the equivalent of defensive medicine, the money is not going to the environment — it’s just going to lawyers. And that was never the intent of those dollars.”

But environmental groups say the law is working just fine, and proving the government’s position was not "substantially justified" — the standard for reimbursement — can be difficult. They say the reimbursements don't come close to covering their expenses, much less provide incentive to bring frivolous cases.

Molvar, of the Biodiversity Conservation Alliance, told FoxNews.com that his organization, which has a $250,000 annual budget, received an average of $1,000 in Equal Access reimbursements in each of the past five years.

“And that was unusually high compared to previous years,” Molvar said. “We have spent far more litigating than we have gotten back."

Molvar said it’s important to remember that his organization — which he characterized as one of the more litigious conservation groups in the country — only receives funds if it wins.

“You only get them when you win and prove that the federal government has broken the law,” he said.

Aggressive reforms could wind up preventing parties — environmental groups included — from challenging unjust decisions made by the federal government or enforcing laws that benefit the public, according to a July 2011 analysis of the bill by the Brennan Center for Justice

Kieran Suckling, executive director of the Center for Biological Diversity, said in statement issued in October that environmental groups collect only a small portion of overall fees under the Equal Access to Justice Act. He said his own group receives only a tiny fraction — less than 0.5 percent, on average — of its annual revenue of about $8 million from those attorney fees recovered.

“No one’s getting rich by making the government follow the law,” Suckling said in the written statement. He declined to be interviewed for this article. “Republicans are using this bill as a back-door attack on environmental laws they don’t like. The end result will be restricting citizen access to the court system and a federal government that’s less accountable to the people.”
tonygraz
10 years ago

So you're saying NASA is releasing faulty data?

bgz wrote:



???
teddyballgame
10 years ago
Well, that was your response to the Nasa polar ice caps not melting data post.. that the Koch brothers are funding "made up" data.

Your retorts are always so spot on, I can't believe you didn't follow the dots there.


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ZRX1200
10 years ago
Apparently you don't understand trolls.
tonygraz
10 years ago
It takes one to know one.
Brewha
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10 years ago

I don't know if I've chimed in on this thread yet, but a study from NASA last year said that the polar caps are actually gaining ice in total. They also said they are in agreement with a certain section of the cap losing ice, but from satellite data they've said that the ice in the antarctic cap has had a net gain over the past couple decades.

They also agree that the sea level is rising, but it's worrisome because they do not know where it's coming from.

Also, studies have shown that with the increase in CO2 in the atmosphere, it causes plant life to grow faster than usual (in turn sucking up more CO2).

So what I'm trying to say, is the ecosystem we have here is far more dynamic than anyone wants to give it credit for.

As far as dire change that's going to cause doom and gloom for the planet and kill everything... I'm just not seeing it.

I'm sure something other than man-made climate change will wipe us out before that happens.

Destroying a planet is hard, I don't think we could destroy everything on this planet and completely wipe out humanity even if we gave it our very best effort.

bgz wrote:


bgz, I suspect that your information is coming from opinions people have put out there, not from NASA. You should have a look at there actual data and conclusions.

And as resilient as the ecosystem is, I think mankind could murder it in its sleep.
Brewha
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10 years ago

You still think this is REAL?


Stop being lead from crisis to crises. And don't forget, didn't we have the 2 coldest winters the previous 2 years? Or was that caused by warming as well?


http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/05/19/updated-nasa-data-polar-ice-not-receding-after-all/#2272edcb32da 

Updated NASA Data: Global Warming Not Causing Any Polar Ice Retreat


Updated data from NASA satellite instruments reveal the Earth’s polar ice caps have not receded at all since the satellite instruments began measuring the ice caps in 1979. Since the end of 2012, moreover, total polar ice extent has largely remained above the post-1979 average. The updated data contradict one of the most frequently asserted global warming claims – that global warming is causing the polar ice caps to recede.

The timing of the 1979 NASA satellite instrument launch could not have been better for global warming alarmists. The late 1970s marked the end of a 30-year cooling trend. As a result, the polar ice caps were quite likely more extensive than they had been since at least the 1920s. Nevertheless, this abnormally extensive 1979 polar ice extent would appear to be the “normal” baseline when comparing post-1979 polar ice extent.

Updated NASA satellite data show the polar ice caps remained at approximately their 1979 extent until the middle of the last decade. Beginning in 2005, however, polar ice modestly receded for several years. By 2012, polar sea ice had receded by approximately 10 percent from 1979 measurements. (Total polar ice area – factoring in both sea and land ice – had receded by much less than 10 percent, but alarmists focused on the sea ice loss as “proof” of a global warming crisis.)



A 10-percent decline in polar sea ice is not very remarkable, especially considering the 1979 baseline was abnormally high anyway. Regardless, global warming activists and a compliant news media frequently and vociferously claimed the modest polar ice cap retreat was a sign of impending catastrophe. Al Gore even predicted the Arctic ice cap could completely disappear by 2014.

In late 2012, however, polar ice dramatically rebounded and quickly surpassed the post-1979 average. Ever since, the polar ice caps have been at a greater average extent than the post-1979 mean.

Now, in May 2015, the updated NASA data show polar sea ice is approximately 5 percent above the post-1979 average.


THAT damned science data!!

teddyballgame wrote:


TeddyBall!!! 😮

Always a pleasure to see you weigh in on a topic. And again you did not disappoint.

No supprise that the opinion peice you cited does not agree with what NASA has published. Now I gather that you have never actually been to the NASA web site, which is at least part of why you did not distinguish opinion from fact. Their addy is:

Climate.NASA.Gov

Try not to have your head explode when you look at the actual data.

And keep those card and letters coming....


DrafterX
10 years ago
NASA is gubment funded also... just sayin... 😟
teedubbya
10 years ago
Well they did lie about landing on the moon and stuff
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