I think that is what the percentages are for 😟

its all scientifical and stuff

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The Bible is bigger.

Probably true, arguing is entertaining though, so it's all good.

that wasn't an argument... 🤐

i do not purport to be an expert but it is a field of study i enjoy

id be happy to discuss line/verse within context if you would like

pm me

That's ok GJ. Truth is I'm in no way an expert either. But I do believe the religion is being unfairly vilified.

Sure there are some evil mudderfucers out there doing the will of Allah - but other religions have had the same thing. And when people go to raise hell, they usually say God is on their side....

I just have a hard time buying into mosques all over the world teaching "Now God wants you to kill people - anyone who says the don't believe what's in OUR book. Please open you texts to the chapter on pipe bombs"

That is because I believe religions are all basically good, but sometimes pervierted by a few for their own gain.

Go read the first few chapters of the quran, it might change your mind.

It reads like the whole goal of the religion was to convert Christians and Jews into submission, and kill them if they don't submit.


So this little lovely gem didn't mean anything to you?

They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah . But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.

The bible is bigger because they had more writers.

So where the Bible condones rape, would you think this a Christian value - believed and abided by? I don't.

And if a quater of the worlds religious people (Muslims) are tought to kill as commanded by God - why aren't that doing it?

So if the thought is that crazy people use their religion to justify their acts, I agree.
Or if the case is that religion makes people crazy - well, not so much.

I like to think most all of us are smarter than the scribbling of the goat herders.....

I think you over-estimate the intelligence of humans.

If the average IQ in humans is 100, then that means half of everyone is less than that.

I think there are plenty of people in this world that satisfy both scenarios you provided.

As for your first point... Islam is based off Christianity/Judaism... so there's that.

Just because most Christians aren't die hard fundamentalist who take the literal word of the bible as gospel (nor even actually read the bible for that matter), doesn't mean the people in Islamic countries that govern on it's words do not.

bgz- you are apparently believing that all muslims are evil. I can't believe they are all evil, but I will agree that religion is the source of most evil. I certainly do not overestimate the intelligence of humans and I believe ISIS is evil.

if 100 IQ is the median, then half of all humans are below that.

Damn... Frank with the statistics slap.

Well, if you want to get nitpicky, the average is below 100 in the US :P

I would bet that everyone I ran into or talked to yesterday for the first time was under 100 IQ .

I'm proud to be in the majority, I think.

So your original comment was pretty much wrong all the way around?

condones rape?
there is rape in the Bible but i do not see where it is condoned

i think i know of the passage you are speaking but that doesnt seem to fit with the rest of scripture that never condones sex outside of marriage, even when dealing with captive women. if we take it within the context of the law it seems to make more sense.

10 When you go to war against your enemies and the Lord your God delivers them into your hands and you take captives, 11 if you notice among the captives a beautiful woman and are attracted to her, you may take her as your wife. 12 Bring her into your home and have her shave her head, trim her nails 13 and put aside the clothes she was wearing when captured. After she has lived in your house and mourned her father and mother for a full month, then you may go to her and be her husband and she shall be your wife. 14 If you are not pleased with her, let her go wherever she wishes. You must not sell her or treat her as a slave, since you have dishonored her.

I admittedly do not know much about Islam. I am a Christian who has studied most major religions in college (long ago), and out of personal interest (currently). In short, I don't know ****. If I was not a Christian I think I'd lean Buddhism because I love how mentally healthy it is, and it is very similar to Christianity at it's core (read living Buddha, living Christ if interested in why I think that). I believe in the practice of mindfulness (I'm not good at it yet) which largely sprung out of Buddhism but lacks the religious component.

My church has a multi faith group that meets with people from the other major religions including Islam and Judaism. I've got a few Muslim friends through work, and that group. We talk religion quite a bit. It's hard to find a place for such respectful conversations about faith because emotion and tunnel vision tend to blind when religion is involved. It's the nature of the beast, you have to acept some blindness to have faith, and faith is good. If we are out we have to be aware of where we are and who can hear. It is amazing how closed minded some folks are and how their fear makes them react. Sad really. It is actually the component that fuels some of the violence, and is leveraged by some ****bags.

The best immunization to ignorance and fear is exposure but ironically we tend to go the opposite way and isolate. It is why my church (actually it's broader than our denomination and includes other protestant churches) has such a group. Ours, as well as those from the other faiths participating, believe in reaching out and having a productive dialog because in the end our similarities are much greater than our differences.

I will say my Muslim friends do not have the same interpretation of their religion as bgz does. One thing I certainly never do is tell them what their religion is or what it teaches. I assume they know more about it than I and if I am not careful I will mold it to meet my perception rather than their reality. I will ask them questions and tell them what my religion teaches. And we do disagree on some things. We do talk about terrorism at times, and they have much the same take on it as I do, other than they are much more appalled than I that a group or groups has hijacked their religion for evil purposes and it impacts them directly. Every single day they live with the impact of that. It is not theoretical to them.

I think it's a fair criticism that their "group" isn't more vocal in their condemnation especially since it really impacts them more than it impacts me (Terrorism hasn't really touched me directly other than losing acquaintances\friends in OKC). Then again I'm not sure what I would do in their situation. They have people using their religion for evil at the same time they have people telling them their religion is evil. That is not the religion they are practicing, but they will never convince some of that. They are frustrated. I do tell them they should be more vocal, and some are, but it is a rock and a hard place. I honestly don't know what I would do in their shoes. I'd probably meet with reasonable Christians and Jews for a cup of coffee and conversation, which ironically is what I am doing now.

It's not easy or it would be solved.