QMPASH
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Saturday, March 19, 2016 8:21:24 AM
Every now and then I find a cigar I really like and the, without warning, the profile changes. The flavor, construction or some other thing I like about the stick changes drastically. I know that a batch of tobacco doesn't last forever which implies that some change is to be expected. Even cigars from the same field, with the same rollers can differ. You can even expect some differences in cigars in the same box or bundle. I am talking however about drastic changes where the cigar is no longer the one you loved so much and has now become a piece of chit. You are disppointed. For my pick, it is Pioneer Valley. I could also mention Gurkha, Indian Tabac and 90 Miles. What has been your greatest disappointment in a cigar?
DrMaddVibe
Saturday, March 19, 2016 8:49:36 AM

Every now and then I find a cigar I really like and the, without warning, the profile changes. The flavor, construction or some other thing I like about the stick changes drastically. I know that a batch of tobacco doesn't last forever which implies that some change is to be expected. Even cigars from the same field, with the same rollers can differ. You can even expect some differences in cigars in the same box or bundle. I am talking however about drastic changes where the cigar is no longer the one you loved so much and has now become a piece of chit. You are disppointed. For my pick, it is Pioneer Valley. I could also mention Gurkha, Indian Tabac and 90 Miles. What has been your greatest disappointment in a cigar?

QMPASH wrote:

Why don't you try a Padron, Fuente, Montecristo or Perdomo and get out of the gutter when selecting a cigar.

Rocky and Kaizad wouldn't know a good cigar if it hit them in the face. Both labels are "RUN AWAY!" status and it's not going to change. EVER. I don't care how many lines they have or create. They suck.

Now, the old CAO...there was a real classic bait and switch operation. Still is too. Develop a cigar, and take the time to create a really good one. Just can't or won't keep up with production to satisfy everyone and instead of telling people it's different...they keep the plates spinning with trash and serve it up like its filet mignon.

Padron, Fuente, Montecristo and Perdomo can and do create a cigar that you can go back a month...a year...5 years...10 years and it's the same profile. How do they do that? They control the operation. They grow or purchase from the very same fields. They don't want garbage going out the front door into customers hands and they want you to enjoy their product that they put their name on. These families aren't going away.

Stick with a winner and dump the garbage.

Speyside
Saturday, March 19, 2016 8:53:42 AM
^Well said and accurate IMO.
gummy jones
Saturday, March 19, 2016 9:06:06 AM
#2
jespear
Saturday, March 19, 2016 9:56:38 AM

Every now and then I find a cigar I really like and the, without warning, the profile changes. The flavor, construction or some other thing I like about the stick changes drastically. I know that a batch of tobacco doesn't last forever which implies that some change is to be expected. Even cigars from the same field, with the same rollers can differ. You can even expect some differences in cigars in the same box or bundle. I am talking however about drastic changes where the cigar is no longer the one you loved so much and has now become a piece of chit. You are disppointed. For my pick, it is Pioneer Valley. I could also mention Gurkha, Indian Tabac and 90 Miles. What has been your greatest disappointment in a cigar?

QMPASH wrote:

Without a doubt, the La Perla Habana Morado !

The OR, with the purple foot band, was a phenomenal cigar, but the re-issue is pure feces.

The ensuing argument, between dpnewell and CBid, concerning this situation was what ultimately led to his demise.

riverdog
Saturday, March 19, 2016 10:32:47 AM

Without a doubt, the La Perla Habana Morado !

The OR, with the purple foot band, was a phenomenal cigar, but the re-issue is pure feces.

The ensuing argument, between dpnewell and CBid, concerning this situation was what ultimately led to his demise.

jespear wrote:

Probably this for me as well. I still use the divided tray box they came in but only have one VERY yellow cello cigar left. We miss you David.🌫

midmofan
Saturday, March 19, 2016 10:42:17 AM
This one may be just the opposite. A one-off that was good but never again. Got a non-hotel Graycliff that was amazing in a sampler. One of the best smokes ever. Alas, never since...
jjanecka
Saturday, March 19, 2016 10:54:34 AM
So let me understand what you're saying, Graycliff is chit unless you're at their hotel? I've never wanted to pay the pricetag for them so I haven't really tried any.
99cobra2881
Saturday, March 19, 2016 11:14:07 AM

So let me understand what you're saying, Graycliff is chit unless you're at their hotel? I've never wanted to pay the pricetag for them so I haven't really tried any.

jjanecka wrote:

Ya aren't the graycliffs here just liscenced reproductions that are rolled somewhere else, not at the hotel in the Bahamas?

QMPASH
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Saturday, March 19, 2016 11:17:15 AM
I have tried all of the aforementioned cigars. The only one I agree with you about is Padron. Over the years I have become convinced (although some will argue with me on this point) that you cannot buy a bad Padron. Unfortunately, they are too pricey for me to smoke on a regular basis. If I had the bucks, I would do just that. I understand that Rocky Patel smokes them on a regular basis instead of those POS he sells.
QMPASH
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Saturday, March 19, 2016 11:20:17 AM
I have 15 of these coming in on a bid, unless I get sniped. So far I have had nothing but good things to say about La Perla. I will let you know about these asap, after they arrive (if they do.)
DrMaddVibe
Saturday, March 19, 2016 12:05:57 PM

I have tried all of the aforementioned cigars. The only one I agree with you about is Padron. Over the years I have become convinced (although some will argue with me on this point) that you cannot buy a bad Padron. Unfortunately, they are too pricey for me to smoke on a regular basis. If I had the bucks, I would do just that. I understand that Rocky Patel smokes them on a regular basis instead of those POS he sells.

QMPASH wrote:

Life is too damned short to smoke crappy cigars washed down with crappy booze.

You only live once. Splurge on yourself.

Seriously.

You just might like cigars a lot more if you did just that.

midmofan
Saturday, March 19, 2016 12:14:03 PM
Yes the Graycliffs you see for sale around here are licensed and not made at the hotel. Never had a hotel one mind you.
99cobra2881
Saturday, March 19, 2016 12:20:23 PM

Yes the Graycliffs you see for sale around here are licensed and not made at the hotel. Never had a hotel one mind you.

midmofan wrote:

Thanks for confirming. I wonder if the Royal Danish sold at CI now are the same story? Wouldn't surprise me.

midmofan
Saturday, March 19, 2016 12:22:13 PM

I have 15 of these coming in on a bid, unless I get sniped. So far I have had nothing but good things to say about La Perla. I will let you know about these asap, after they arrive (if they do.)

QMPASH wrote:

I,for one, am not a LaPerla purple hater. You just have to accept what they are.When i could get them on here for about $1.50 per with shipping, they were a nice 45min. smoke to have around. Just not a "94" rating or anything. Prices went up on them here though so have not had any in a while, maybe have gone further downhill.

Several long LaPerla threads if you have insomnia

KingoftheCove
Saturday, March 19, 2016 12:43:46 PM
La Perla?

Pass.............better yard gars for the same coin

Whistlebritches
Saturday, March 19, 2016 3:01:30 PM

Why don't you try a Padron, Fuente, Montecristo or Perdomo and get out of the gutter when selecting a cigar.

Rocky and Kaizad wouldn't know a good cigar if it hit them in the face. Both labels are "RUN AWAY!" status and it's not going to change. EVER. I don't care how many lines they have or create. They suck.

Now, the old CAO...there was a real classic bait and switch operation. Still is too. Develop a cigar, and take the time to create a really good one. Just can't or won't keep up with production to satisfy everyone and instead of telling people it's different...they keep the plates spinning with trash and serve it up like its filet mignon.

Padron, Fuente, Montecristo and Perdomo can and do create a cigar that you can go back a month...a year...5 years...10 years and it's the same profile. How do they do that? They control the operation. They grow or purchase from the very same fields. They don't want garbage going out the front door into customers hands and they want you to enjoy their product that they put their name on. These families aren't going away.

Stick with a winner and dump the garbage.

DrMaddVibe wrote:

When I read the OP.........Well this is almost my exact thoughts.Although you write much more eloquently without any F bombs....How the hell do you do that?

DrMaddVibe
Saturday, March 19, 2016 3:16:19 PM

When I read the OP.........Well this is almost my exact thoughts.Although you write much more eloquently without any F bombs....How the hell do you do that?

Whistlebritches wrote:

Strict upbringing!

midmofan
Saturday, March 19, 2016 5:53:17 PM
While not a sexy brand in the web pages and forums, i have never had a BAD La Gloria Cubana. It doesnt blow you away but always good and reliable. Like a Honda Accord
jimbud
Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:07:17 PM

Without a doubt, the La Perla Habana Morado !

The OR, with the purple foot band, was a phenomenal cigar, but the re-issue is pure feces.

The ensuing argument, between dpnewell and CBid, concerning this situation was what ultimately led to his demise.

jespear wrote:

So that is what happened to Dave. Geez, you leave for a couple years and you miss a lot. I would love to read that thread. At Dave's direction I stocked up on the OR and still have a bunch. Great cigar.