Every now and then I find a cigar I really like and the, without warning, the profile changes. The flavor, construction or some other thing I like about the stick changes drastically. I know that a batch of tobacco doesn't last forever which implies that some change is to be expected. Even cigars from the same field, with the same rollers can differ. You can even expect some differences in cigars in the same box or bundle. I am talking however about drastic changes where the cigar is no longer the one you loved so much and has now become a piece of chit. You are disppointed. For my pick, it is Pioneer Valley. I could also mention Gurkha, Indian Tabac and 90 Miles. What has been your greatest disappointment in a cigar?

QMPASH wrote:

Every now and then I find a cigar I really like and the, without warning, the profile changes. The flavor, construction or some other thing I like about the stick changes drastically. I know that a batch of tobacco doesn't last forever which implies that some change is to be expected. Even cigars from the same field, with the same rollers can differ. You can even expect some differences in cigars in the same box or bundle. I am talking however about drastic changes where the cigar is no longer the one you loved so much and has now become a piece of chit. You are disppointed. For my pick, it is Pioneer Valley. I could also mention Gurkha, Indian Tabac and 90 Miles. What has been your greatest disappointment in a cigar?

QMPASH wrote:

Without a doubt, the La Perla Habana Morado !

The OR, with the purple foot band, was a phenomenal cigar, but the re-issue is pure feces.

The ensuing argument, between dpnewell and CBid, concerning this situation was what ultimately led to his demise.

jespear wrote:

So let me understand what you're saying, Graycliff is chit unless you're at their hotel? I've never wanted to pay the pricetag for them so I haven't really tried any.

jjanecka wrote:

I have tried all of the aforementioned cigars. The only one I agree with you about is Padron. Over the years I have become convinced (although some will argue with me on this point) that you cannot buy a bad Padron. Unfortunately, they are too pricey for me to smoke on a regular basis. If I had the bucks, I would do just that. I understand that Rocky Patel smokes them on a regular basis instead of those POS he sells.

QMPASH wrote:

Yes the Graycliffs you see for sale around here are licensed and not made at the hotel. Never had a hotel one mind you.

midmofan wrote:

I have 15 of these coming in on a bid, unless I get sniped. So far I have had nothing but good things to say about La Perla. I will let you know about these asap, after they arrive (if they do.)

QMPASH wrote:

Why don't you try a Padron, Fuente, Montecristo or Perdomo and get out of the gutter when selecting a cigar.

Rocky and Kaizad wouldn't know a good cigar if it hit them in the face. Both labels are "RUN AWAY!" status and it's not going to change. EVER. I don't care how many lines they have or create. They suck.

Now, the old CAO...there was a real classic bait and switch operation. Still is too. Develop a cigar, and take the time to create a really good one. Just can't or won't keep up with production to satisfy everyone and instead of telling people it's different...they keep the plates spinning with trash and serve it up like its filet mignon.

Padron, Fuente, Montecristo and Perdomo can and do create a cigar that you can go back a month...a year...5 years...10 years and it's the same profile. How do they do that? They control the operation. They grow or purchase from the very same fields. They don't want garbage going out the front door into customers hands and they want you to enjoy their product that they put their name on. These families aren't going away.

Stick with a winner and dump the garbage.

DrMaddVibe wrote:

When I read the OP.........Well this is almost my exact thoughts.Although you write much more eloquently without any F bombs....How the hell do you do that?

Whistlebritches wrote:

Without a doubt, the La Perla Habana Morado !

The OR, with the purple foot band, was a phenomenal cigar, but the re-issue is pure feces.

The ensuing argument, between dpnewell and CBid, concerning this situation was what ultimately led to his demise.

jespear wrote: