[frypan] Up to now, polticians have been having a party at our expense. They run for office financed by people who want something in return for their money and they always get it. The people who run for office are people who have proven to the establishment that they will play ball. After being elected they fullfill most, if not all of their promises to their backers and rarely to the people who cast their votes for them. Trump has changed the landscape. He is an outsider who is beholden to nobody and owes no favors. He is a political neophyte who says what is on his mind, not what he thinks people want him to say. Compare that to Hillary who has been on all sides of Al.pay every issue and still,insists that she has been consistent over the years on every issue. How many candidates have you heard tell you what they would do about illegal immigration, Iran or North Korea and the loss of American jobs to 3d world countries? Only one and his name is Donald Trump.

And yet he readily admits he has been knee deep in both parties financially and otherwise for all of his adult life and if you believe Trump has changed from the self centered blowhard he has always been to someone who is worried about everyone else so he is not doing this for personal gain then there is a bridge in his hometown I'd love to sell you. He is a modern PT Barnum and some still believe in the bearded lady and the shrunken heads.

The only similarity between the Truth and Trump are the first 3 letters. First thing one should do is assume anything Trump says is a lie until proven otherwise.

Do cops not make the best criminals?

Do hackers not make the best security personnel?

Who would be better at patching loopholes than someone who's already made their fortune exploiting them?

I'm interested in the outcome, if anything just as a grand experiment.

Worst case scenario, is he is really bad like so many people think, and he's ejected in four years.

Best case scenario, he's actually sincere and really does want to help America and sets the bar for non-establishment candidates in the future.

Everyone likes to forget about H. Ross Perot.

Why just imagine if all of his ideas had been implemented?

Yeah.


Sorry, but the problem with Donald Trump is lack of experience. We've already seen what OJT training gets a nation and we can hardly afford another administration with training wheels. Clinton talks a good game but she created the Arab Spring and handpicked the Ambassador she let get killed in Libya...all the while we had jets and a response team enroute that was called off. Sanders? He wants to bring the boys home and stop the endless wars and perhaps the blowback created from them.

Not being beholden to anyone means he's beholden to himself and seeing as how he's a businessman...I trust him to take care of his own business and those that cozy up to him. That kind of makes him unanswerable to anyone. That's a BIG problem.

I get the whole radical we gotta dump the establishment candidates...but Trump is NOT the savior he's being painted out to be. You...me...and every other taxpayer is paying for his election. You really think he's paying for it? Silly people.

While I do trust him to negotiate trade deals that have killed this nation like NAFTA and the TPP shoe in, he cannot do it by himself. It would have to go through the Legislative Branch. The GOP that he's running under now want's to keelhaul him and the other party is running two candidates...well, one he calls a rabid dog and the other one calls him a liar. Then there's the entire party...do you really think he's going to get anything through that doesn't cost him or keep the can kicking or worse yet the stalling and doing nothing from happening? Gary Johnson, the Libertarian Party candidate would have a better shot at enacting legislation than Trump.

So while people are beating each other up at the rallies, and shouting about how great America can be again it might be useful to actually reflect on the negatives Trump brings to the party. Speaking of which...both Democrat candidates today soundly beat him in a head to head national election.

http://www.inquisitr.com/2905900/polls-hillary-clinton-loses-to-every-gop-candidate-except-one/ 

http://us.cnn.com/2016/03/01/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-poll/index.html 

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html# !

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html 

It's not all unicorns, rainbows and lollipops.

Elect criminals, it's our best way out.

screw trump. The Rs deserve him

It's like people immediately forgot who and what he is out of convenience.

So of the choices we have to make, who would you pick? Are you afraid to say, because then you couldn't have that fence post squarely up your ass?

Hmmmm.
Fence post.
-TW

Not at all I've already said and have been clear. I voted for kaisich in the primary last week I will not vote for trump or Cruz. I would have voted for any of the 17/18 Rs running except for Trump or Cruz. If trump wins the primary I vote third party, if Cruz wns I vote Hillary. I've said as much several times for months. Clear enough for you MACS? I've not been ambiguous at all.

And before any moron says a vote for so and so is really a vote for someone else.... STFU tha stupid. I voted for Kaisich because I like him and he's the only one left I don't find embarrassing. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

for the record, Paul Pierce is The Truth

I thought it was some Williams dude.

Meh. I didn't dislike Kasich.

But really... for a guy who loves to claim he's conservative, a vote for Hillary? No way on God's green Earth I'd ever vote for that c*nt.

Edit: If you've said, I never saw it. Only saw you belittling other people's opinions in your snarky way. But to be fair, I don't read all the tripe in this forum.

At least he's snarky, Victor lacks that tact when belittling people here. Maybe teedubya's dad DID beat him enough after all.

I've said it many times.

As for questioning if I'm conservative or not based on being forced to vote Hillary in one specific scenario ....... I said quite awhile ago there were three people and three only that could drive me to the point of voting for her. Trump, Cruz, and Satan. I've since softened on trump and would merely vote third party. So now it's satan and Cruz. I said it when there were double digit candidates.

It's not my fault if the crazies pick a dill doe as the candidate but I won't blindly follow suit. Trump is not conservative. He's telling you he is now but it's new to him. I've said enough about Cruz to not repeat but I believe his self proclamation of being the only conservative and the most religious is a false narrative as well. To be honest real conservatives should dislike both. Cruz trying to compare himself to Reagan is nauseating.

As for voting Hillary over Cruz that would be my way of sending the republican a message that they are broken and I would hope it would help them if they lost miserably and hopefully the downstream tickets would fail too. Collosal failure may be what it takes. Combine that with the fact I do not believe Cruz can win the general and if he Di he would be an unmitigated disaster and it's an easy choice actually. I'd vote Hillary in a heartbeat over Cruz.

RIP Carl "the Truth" Williams died in 2013. Fought Mike Tyson and was KOed in the first round.

There is a piece of me that thinks the Trump or cruise supporters are doing so because they want a complete disaster and they want the Republican Party to fail miserably. Not all of them but some of them must certainly see and embrace the upcoming train wreck.