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teedubbya
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9 years ago

#21

Everyone needs a scapegoat to go with their fear. We get a couple this round.

MACS
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9 years ago

#22

glad my grandparents got IBTL

frankj1 wrote:

There is no lock. And your grandparents came here legally, and assimilated.

That isn't what's happening anymore. If you can't see that... *shrug*

frankj1
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9 years ago

#23

There is no lock. And your grandparents came here legally, and assimilated.

That isn't what's happening anymore. If you can't see that... *shrug*

MACS wrote:

I'm not for illegal entry. And I am not for blocking legal/vetted entries either.

But many already here at the time were against my grandparents getting in.

teedubbya
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9 years ago

#24

I dunno. Even in high school social studies in the 80s we talked about how we were less a melting pot more a dinner plate. Traditionally Chinese, Irish, Italian, Serbian, Laotian, German etc didn't immediately assimilate and formed their own communities etc. over time it is more so but then there are new groups not assimilating for awhile.

I think our vision of history is more romantic or rosey than reality. The fact time has moved on and things got better tends to dilute reality.

teedubbya
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9 years ago

#25

I never knew folks with large cox were persecuted en mass. But it makes sense. I'm sorry my Irish ancestors treated yours like that frank.

teedubbya
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9 years ago

#26

Kidding aside I can't help but keep thinking about the St Louis.

frankj1
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9 years ago

#27

I never knew folks with large cox were persecuted en mass. But it makes sense. I'm sorry my Irish ancestors treated yours like that frank.

teedubbya wrote:

don't be sorry, my grandfather told me of "help wanted, Irish need not apply" signs in store windows around Boston when he got here. Don't think the Irish were calling the shots then, and even if they were, he wanted me to know what ugly looks and feels like.

teedubbya
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9 years ago

#28

my grandparents showed me that too. First generation German and first generation Irish. While both groups took their share of hate and discrimination The wars (my grandpa fought in ww1) seemed to flip the intensity.

In Iowa several villages popped up that were self sufficient German towns. Outsiders not welcome in, and vice versa. Very little assimilation for generation. They are tourists traps now. Assimilation never has happend quickly or all that willingly. That's a misnomer.

teedubbya
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9 years ago

#29

As I recall there was great fear of the filthy Irish invaders coming in legally and illegally and stealing jobs and ruining neighborhoods etc.

teedubbya
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9 years ago

#30

My grandpa had nothing against the n*ggers though (his common word for them). He even taught them to read and stuff. He never spoke poorly of them but certainly didn't want them where he lived or near his family. Drop him in our times and he's a bigot at best. In his time he was normal or common.

gummy jones
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9 years ago

#31

The difference is that sharia is not compatible with western thought or freedom.

We can draw all the examples we want but no other group is the same and it's not even close.

The results are crime ridden no go zones in historic parts of once great European countries. Multiculturalism at its finest.

Why anyone feels we can import poorly educated and untrained members of societies whose culture is stuck in the dark ages and expect a different result is beyond my comprehension.

teedubbya
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9 years ago

#32

We had some pretty interesting religious zealots escape persecution elsewhere only to attempt to push their own brand here. We had some bad results along the way but managed without banning various religions. If by assimilate that means they can not implement sharia law then absolutely I'm on board. I'm also on record as thinking many in here over state that insidious enemy.

Most Mexicans don't practice sharia and in terms of numbers there are the bigger invader and it odd they seem to weave in and out interchangeable through these conversations. Oddly I was thinking more about them but I think that's my mistake given the op.

We are letting fear drive us. It's one thing to mitigate potential danger, another to be driven by fear and misunderstanding. We are creating scape goats and bogey men. In some regards the terrorists have already won.

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teedubbya
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9 years ago

#33

Over time we will get a better understanding of what is really happening here and some will be red faced by their actions or words (or their next generations will be). Perhaps it will be me.

frankj1
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9 years ago

#34

tw-"We are letting fear drive us. It's one thing to mitigate potential danger, another to be driven by fear and misunderstanding. We are creating scape goats and bogey men. In some regards the terrorists have already won."

that's what I am getting at.

I might be relying on fake news from a couple of years ago, but I am under the impression that since 2009 the "flow" of immigrants from the south has drastically slowed, and over most years immigration from China has been the leader.

Delta, can you do anything to stem the tide?

teedubbya
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9 years ago

#35

I dunno. Seems to me every time in history someone vilifies mass groups of people they think they are right to do so and no other group of people have ever been like these. It's different this time combined with they all lie so even if you talk with them and find different than I say it's not true. it doesn't feel like a very original recipe.

That's not to say don't be careful and is in no way supporting illegal immigration. Those are non starters with me.

frankj1
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9 years ago

#36

I think we're alone now...

teedubbya
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9 years ago

#37

I think in the spirit of that's what she said

the American Indians, aztecs, mayans, etc would disagree with my opinion. But since they were uncivilized barbarians and in the end we did them a favor and there is no white guilt here, I like to think we got this.

Good night Tiffany.

delta1
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9 years ago

#38

frankj1 wrote:

You've been the recipient of fake news, frank. Since 2000, Mexico has sent the most immigrants to the US, followed by India, then the Philippines, with China a very close fourth. If the people from Hong Kong and Taiwan are lumped in with the ones from China, then China would be third.

I hate the Chinese immigrants and wish they would go home. They have forced many of my favorite traditional Chinese/Cantonese restaurants out of business. There are now several new "Chinatowns" in SoCal, all crowded and bustling with gleaming new businesses, shops and restaurants, opened by a new generation of wealthy Chinese capitalists. I hoped they would leave since I've been boycotting them, but they seem to be popular with the millennials...

No matter, I prefer Mexican food now...

teedubbya
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9 years ago

#39

Reading about the Stockholm riots maybe trump just got out in front of his skis a little bit.

delta1
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9 years ago

#40

Cause...effect? dunno...he's quite the enigma...

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