DrafterX
Thursday, April 13, 2017 7:21:01 PM
Why Dems hate Trump so much.... Just watched some CBS News.. Made Trump look like this huge flip-flopper without even a hint of explanation on about half a dozen topics or more... then they go into the Texas voter ID law and say Iit was created to keep blacks from voting.. no pproof of course but that didn't stop them from saying it a dozen times... talk about brainwashing.. 🤦 .
elRopo
Thursday, April 13, 2017 7:25:26 PM
C = Communist

B = Broadcasting B/S

S = System

delta1
Thursday, April 13, 2017 7:45:03 PM
So you haven't seen any of the videos of the legislators/sponsors of voter restriction laws admitting the laws were written to keep a) Dems, b) poor people, c) minorities, from voting. Several have been ruled unconstitutional because they are, in fact, discriminatory, having a disproportionate impact on blacks...

Trump has flip-flopped on almost every thing he has said...the man has no clear core values, shapes his world view moment by moment and is shameless about saying one thing today and the opposite tomorrow. His followers accept his inconsistency and his explanations for why he changed his mind and trust that since he's a rich guy, he must know what he's doing...the reality is that he's an uninformed blowhard who says stuff without thinking...the same followers who believe Trump's contortions would not tolerate shifts on much smaller scale from Dems...

gummy jones
Thursday, April 13, 2017 7:49:23 PM
Blacks are too dumb to get an id I guess? Speaking of racist things...
SmokeMonkey
Thursday, April 13, 2017 8:03:09 PM
Keep in mind that here in Alabama they tried a couple of years ago to shut down license offices in several majority black counties, meaning in some cases people would need to travel across two counties to get a new state-issued ID. While there were a few ways with limited availability to get a voter-only ID, it did seem to put an undue burden on citizens. Whether we like

It or not, these things happen.

The funny thing is, as red as this state is, I don't think it would impact election results, at least at the state and national level.

SteveS
Thursday, April 13, 2017 9:32:03 PM

Several (voter restriction laws) have been ruled unconstitutional because they are, in fact, discriminatory, having a disproportionate impact on blacks ...

delta1 wrote:

I'm at a complete loss to understand how having to present ID at the polls is construed as having ANY discriminatory effect on anyone and why the impact on blacks is somehow "disproportionate" ....

tailgater
Thursday, April 13, 2017 9:33:43 PM

I'm at a complete loss to understand how having to present ID at the polls is construed as having ANY discriminatory effect on anyone and why the impact on blacks is somehow "disproportionate" ....

SteveS wrote:

The liberals have no other way to stuff their ballot box, so they pull out the race card.

It's libertardism 101.

SteveS
Thursday, April 13, 2017 9:38:05 PM
In other words, pure bullsh*t
Brewha
Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:06:17 PM
😂 😂 😂

Sorry Drafter. I read the OP title and saw your name and the scotch came out my nose......

I'll read your thread in the morrow.....

SmokeMonkey
Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:19:33 PM

I'm at a complete loss to understand how having to present ID at the polls is construed as having ANY discriminatory effect on anyone and why the impact on blacks is somehow "disproportionate" ....

SteveS wrote:

Well, in Alabama counties that are 80% black with 60% unemployment and a high percentage living under the poverty line where someone would need to make a 100 mile round trip to get an ID, I would say that impacts people. And not just black folks, just more black folks in some of the few counties that might go Democrat. YMMV.

SmokeMonkey
Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:20:42 PM
I forgot that the GOP can do no wrong, nor takes actions that benefit only their party. Only Dems do that. Silly me. That's why Alabama is a conservative paradise.
delta1
Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:40:00 PM
Have to hand it to the GOP...they are masters of American politics and twisting the rules to benefit their party...voter restrictions (not just ID) and practices: including cutbacks on mail-in ballots and absentee votes, reducing the numbers of polling places, numbers of clerks at polling places, hours for voting, week-end voting, number of days the polls are open...GOP believes the fewer people who vote, the better they do...and the statistics bear that out...

But their most adept power retention tool is gerrymandering...they are masters at designing voting districts that carve up blocs of Dems and turn majorities into minorities...

Guess it's all legal, except those rare instances of over-reach that are challenged in court and ruled unconstitutional...and as long as those states with small cities and large rural populations remain solid red, the GOP will continue to rule, at least Congress...the minority (in total population) ruling a majority...

frankj1
Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:46:36 PM

Well, in Alabama counties that are 80% black with 60% unemployment and a high percentage living under the poverty line where someone would need to make a 100 mile round trip to get an ID, I would say that impacts people. And not just black folks, just more black folks in some of the few counties that might go Democrat. YMMV.

SmokeMonkey wrote:

this is being ignored and minimized here. Responses simply ignore these factors because ignoring the breakdown of voters affected leaves the simplistic "just get an ID".

Yeah, no problem for all of us, but we actually never read posts from those these hindrances do affect...rendering them invisible.

SmokeMonkey
Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:54:17 PM

Have to hand it to the GOP...they are masters of American politics and twisting the rules to benefit their party...voter restrictions (not just ID) and practices: including cutbacks on mail-in ballots and absentee votes, reducing the numbers of polling places, numbers of clerks at polling places, hours for voting, week-end voting, number of days the polls are open...GOP believes the fewer people who vote, the better they do...and the statistics bear that out...

But their most adept power retention tool is gerrymandering...they are masters at designing voting districts that carve up blocs of Dems and turn majorities into minorities...

Guess it's all legal, except those rare instances of over-reach that are challenged in court and ruled unconstitutional...and as long as those states with small cities and large rural populations remain solid red, the GOP will continue to rule, at least Congress...the minority (in total population) ruling a majority...

delta1 wrote:

Let's be fair, though, Al. Dems perfected gerrymandering during the middle of the last century. The GOP learned from the left.

delta1
Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:13:25 PM
Yes, both have done it and the GOP has taken it to the 21st century...I'd be OK with independent commissions doing the re-districting after the census every decade...
DrafterX
Friday, April 14, 2017 8:49:12 AM
Ok.. let's start with California... and keep the DC lobbyists at home this time.. 👍
tailgater
Friday, April 14, 2017 9:54:29 AM

I forgot that the GOP can do no wrong, nor takes actions that benefit only their party. Only Dems do that. Silly me. That's why Alabama is a conservative paradise.

SmokeMonkey wrote:

Nice deflection.

I'm just glad there are no poor white conservatives without ID.

DrafterX
Friday, April 14, 2017 9:58:31 AM
I thought it was interesting on the Trump Bashing show they used a elderly black veteran in a wheelchair who claimed he was turned away because his military didn't have a photo.... this was early in the story.. at the end of the story they just happen to mention briefly that the dude did land a photo ID and is good to go now... so if this black elderly veteran in a wheelchair can land a photo ID what is everyone's else excuse..?? 🤔
tailgater
Friday, April 14, 2017 10:08:27 AM

this is being ignored and minimized here. Responses simply ignore these factors because ignoring the breakdown of voters affected leaves the simplistic "just get an ID".

Yeah, no problem for all of us, but we actually never read posts from those these hindrances do affect...rendering them invisible.

frankj1 wrote:

We ignore things that are misleading, or perhaps even disingenuous in nature.

Requiring an ID to vote doesn't disenfranchise one race or even one social status more than another. We hear about the poor unemployed? Well it's likely they're on social assistance and would require a form of ID.

But more to the point: If I personally provided an ID to each and every one of them, how many would vote anyhow? I'll give you a hint. the number is VERY low.

So we allow for fraud and abuse because of some manufactured potential obstacle that makes a racial point where none actually exists.

Poor people vote all the time, and requiring an ID isn't the mammoth roadblock that some would lead us to believe.

Hell, I bet illiteracy and foreign language are bigger barriers but we don't hear about it because we can't blame it on the GOP.

tailgater
Friday, April 14, 2017 10:10:32 AM

Let's be fair, though, Al. Dems perfected gerrymandering during the middle of the last century. The GOP learned from the left.

SmokeMonkey wrote:

Massachusetts born and bred.