Prolly not surprising...it IS Science Magazine, so it's NOT fake news...

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/06/body-cams-reveal-us-police-use-less-respectful-language-black-drivers 

speaking Jive correctly takes practice.... 😟

Beaver Cleaver's mom used to speak jive 🌫

Probably need to suppliment this article with which races treat cops the worst too.

I would bet they regressed for that already.

yea they prolly deserve it and stuff

😱

The article title is fake. They surveyed only Oakland police, yet the author makes to jump to say US police.


One example on the low end: “All right, my man. Do me a favor. Just keep your hands on the steering wheel real quick.” On the high end: “There you go, ma’am. Drive safe, please.”

BTW, men generally talk differently to men than they speak to women.

So yea, I'm throwing the BS flag.

So I checked the science overview. I was wrong they did not regress for the individuals behavior towards the officer. Instead they rated anonymously (by college students) based on both the individuals behavior and the officers reaction. This then gave them a set of rated words which they used to analyze the transcriptions.

Their support for it not being reactive is that the initial ratings showed a bias regardless of individuals behavior and that much of the data was on initial words so before the individual could do or say anything to impact it. Additionally they did regress for whether there was an arrest made and severity of crime. So not bad... for social data.

I understand Anthony's concern for extrapolation regionally... this is technically only one department so there is a possibility that it is due to some endemic problem within that department and not nationwide. There is a lot of data collected within that department though. I'd say if they could replicate the experiment in a couple other cities that might support the idea that it's national rather than just a problem in oakland.

It's pretty much subjective bullsheit.

Not disrespectful... less respectful. By what margin? By whose account? Oh, a group of college students gave their opinions on it.

A 'science' magazine should be ashamed to publish such nonsense.

Do you think a group of "MACSs" would have rated the words differently?

WGAF? It looks a a lot like a solution looking for a problem.

The editor who wrote the title is to be blamed, not the author, for the use of US in the title. This implies that the results in Oakland can be applied to the rest of the nation...the article refers to a Stanford University study that recently completed a four year nationwide study of traffic stops made throughout the US.


...but, I find it interesting that Oakland's PD is accused of being disrespectful, since the city's population is so diverse, and so is it's PD...and law enforcement training in California for the past 30 years has emphasized community policing as a foundation for effective community and police relationships...

... the study used 70 independent persons who didn't know the race or background of the persons making the statements, and also used speech pattern algorithms to interpret the differences between "respectful" and "disrespectful"



Food for thought: does disrespect by PD lead to biased policing...more citizen vs police confrontations...more shootings of citizens...more shootings of police by enraged lunatic citizens?

As a graduate of a police academy, I know that respectful and courteous professional communication with members of the public is taught, and is a criteria by which each cadet is evaluated.

This is to subjective. Things like what was the racial demographic of the students? What was the liberal/ conservative demographic of the students. What was the age demographic of the students?

Not mention the political bias of the person/people who programmed the algorithms.

I am not going to agree with you there.
The people judging the dialog are doing so blind so their race or political leaning is irrelevant. They don't know who the words are said by or to so if they are judging one set of words as more or less respectful it is based only on those words.

Additionally the people programming the algorithm should be using the numbers generated by the students who judged the words. They aren't adding any special weight to the equations that I saw. Without looking at a methods section I think it would be incorrect to assume they were able to inject their bias into it.

I'm curious what that department's hiring requirement is for diversity.

Blind or not, there's an inherent bias. Different cultural groups find different thing offensive. Males and females don't always agree on what's offensive. At least 3-4 times a day I say funny things to my wife, yet instead of laughing, she gets pi$$ed off..

As I stated earlier, I solution looking for a problem.

^ cracker ass cracker