victor809
9 years ago
We're talking about using sir/ma'am, last names, thanking people...

This isn't some deep dive on miss manners here. I agree there could be some differences in how the college students view it however as they are judging all the interactions that should not show a difference between races. That would be a global raising or lowering of the score across all categories.

I don't think this is necessarily a solution looking for a problem either as there is clearly some sort of problem with some black communities not feeling like the police are there to protect them...
gummy jones
9 years ago
It's called science mag. It has to be good.
Abrignac
9 years ago

We're talking about using sir/ma'am, last names, thanking people...

This isn't some deep dive on miss manners here. I agree there could be some differences in how the college students view it however as they are judging all the interactions that should not show a difference between races. That would be a global raising or lowering of the score across all categories.

I don't think this is necessarily a solution looking for a problem either as there is clearly some sort of problem with some black communities not feeling like the police are there to protect them...

victor809 wrote:



The biggest lie propagated by politicians is that law enforcement can make a community safe. Law enforcement by law is reactionary. It's called reasonable suspicion and probable cause. Police don't put a person under surveillance without reasonable suspicion. It's a waste of strained resources. Police can't arrest a person before they commit a crime. The fourth amendment is crystal clear on this subject.

The only way a community to feel safe it to make themselves safe. They do this by working with police to remove criminals. This works much better when members of said community 1) stop condoning illegal behavior; 2) cooperate with law enforcement when they are conducting an investigation; and 3) take ownership of their problems, instead of blaming them on others.
victor809
9 years ago
I think you are intentionally misinterpreting my statement. There are clearly some communities that don't feel the police are there to protect them because they feel the police are against them (this has nothing to do with the police actually making anything safer or not simply the interactions between the community and the police). This is an actual problem, separate from what may or may not be the intended role of the police or the state of the community because the problem is a perception problem. You could have a police force which has a quota of how make blacks they are going to try to kill each day and technically not have this problem if you are able to resolve the perception the community has around that police department.

Is perception important? I don't know... . I'm not a good person to ask that question of, because I'm not a big fan of perception. But there is obviously a perception issue....
MACS
9 years ago

The biggest lie propagated by politicians is that law enforcement can make a community safe. Law enforcement by law is reactionary. It's called reasonable suspicion and probable cause. Police don't put a person under surveillance without reasonable suspicion. It's a waste of strained resources. Police can't arrest a person before they commit a crime. The fourth amendment is crystal clear on this subject.

The only way a community to feel safe it to make themselves safe. They do this by working with police to remove criminals. This works much better when members of said community 1) stop condoning illegal behavior; 2) cooperate with law enforcement when they are conducting an investigation; and 3) take ownership of their problems, instead of blaming them on others.

Abrignac wrote:



Whoa, whoa... stop with the common sense, Anthony. We ain't got no time fo dat!!
jjanecka
9 years ago
Yeah Tony, the stats don't work by way of reason.
Abrignac
9 years ago

I think you are intentionally misinterpreting my statement. There are clearly some communities that don't feel the police are there to protect them because they feel the police are against them (this has nothing to do with the police actually making anything safer or not simply the interactions between the community and the police). This is an actual problem, separate from what may or may not be the intended role of the police or the state of the community because the problem is a perception problem. You could have a police force which has a quota of how make blacks they are going to try to kill each day and technically not have this problem if you are able to resolve the perception the community has around that police department.

Is perception important? I don't know... . I'm not a good person to ask that question of, because I'm not a big fan of perception. But there is obviously a perception issue....

victor809 wrote:




When an unsubstantiated perception is at play....
DrafterX
9 years ago
Cop: Turn around..
Me: Every now and then I get a little bit lonely and you're never coming round...:-"
Cop: Turn Around..!!
Me: Every..
*gets tased* 😞
Buckwheat
9 years ago
Isn't this supposed to be a two way street? 🌫
Speyside
9 years ago
It used to be. In most communities it still is.
Gene363
9 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThRb9x-RieI

MACS wrote:



Attempting to use facts again, 😳 you know that's gonna trigger the sensitive haters.

Actually, a cogent and compelling video.

This PSA might help the perceived problem:


delta1
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9 years ago
^ Dude was funny...wonder what happened to him...
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