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tailgater
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9 years ago

I find it difficult to embrace the notion of "free speech" when the message is so clearly horrifying.

NAMBLA pedophiles
The Westboro Baptist low lifes.
The nazi racist kkk supremacist idiots.

But for years I heard from good people with good intentions and strong arguments that we have to accept these vile atrocities if we are truly a nation with free speech.

Until now.

Now it has become political. So people want to prevent it.
Which I'm fine with.
Except their opposition has become just as vile and violent and hate filled as those who they oppose.

But if we say this out loud, we're labeled as racist.
We can't say that "both sides" are wrong. Because the simple minds regard this as sympathizing with the nazis.

But I will say it.
Both sides are wrong. And both sides should be arrested when they step out of line and break laws through violence or threats or vandalism.
Both sides.

So suck it.

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bgz
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

Yep, violence and vandalism is not speech.

Free Speech must be protected, it's what separates us from the Canadians.

Edit:

Oh ya, found this, interesting read.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/tom-kott/freedom-of-speech-canada_b_2324999.html

Edited by user 9 years ago | Reason: Not specified

Gene363
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

Number one for sure and number three most likely, are speaking of committing crimes, they should be able to speak their minds as they stand in front of a firing squad. The second group are just annoying, heartless, blasphemous a z z holes.

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tailgater
Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter

9 years ago

Gene363 wrote:

Yes and no.
A white supremacist could theoretically hate non-whites but not want to hurt them.
Not a crime.
Just despicable.

Gene363
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

Yes and no.
A white supremacist could theoretically hate non-whites but not want to hurt them.
Not a crime.
Just despicable.

tailgater wrote:

Those pedophile sick F's call their idea, "love" but they still need killing.

It's hateful thinking, it's 1984 and it's a Brave New World, thinking bad things will be verboten before we know what happened.

Edited by user 9 years ago | Reason: Not specified

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tailgater
Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter

9 years ago

Yup.

delta1
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

Free speech for KKK, Neo-Nazis, white supremacists? Hell YES!!! It allows the rest of us to see the malignancy in their hearts and souls...

But if they assert those rights as a pretext to commit acts of violence... to initiate violent confrontations... and demand to carry torches, bats, spears disguised as flag poles, and semi-auto weapons as they speak....then NO. Free speech does not apply to attempts to incite violence. Just as one may not say "FIRE" in a crowded theater, one may not say "Kill that Neegga" in a public place...

Boston and Dallas showed, mostly, that all groups can be allowed to exercise their rights to free speech: careful regulation of Time, Place and Manner, plan for safety and security of the speakers and those who attend to support or oppose, and especially the presence of sufficient numbers of neutral peace-keepers. Interesting that few far right people attended a rally when those TP and M regulations were put in place, showing that their real purpose was a show-down to draw attention to themselves duking it out with people, not to advocate that their views are legitimate.

Hillbillyjosh770
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

If you don't contribute your a drain. That simple.

Black, white, yellow, purple, pink. Whatever your color of skin looks is. If your out of school, and is not old, or injured you should be working.

If you loose your job or quit. You should sell your sports car if it's your single mode of transportation.

Quick story: last week a boy, pulled up in a corvette. As I was loading groceries in my truck.

He begins to tell me his in school. Taking class s to be a mechanic. He needed gas money.

He quit his full time job to go to school.

I may have missed something. But don't you get a job so you can afford schooling.

That's what I did.
Anyway.

I told him I won't be giving him gas money.
And he don't need to be quitting a job to go too school. Terrible excuse

tailgater
Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter

9 years ago

delta1 wrote:

Of course their views aren't legitimate.
And it wasn't about "free speech".
But in Boston the only arrests were the opposition. Numbers would dictate this, but it shows that this is purely political. Because once the KKK was escorted out the crowds should have cheered, not kept up with vile chants against our President. Which they did.

Politics.
Not race, religion or statues.
Not a higher decency.
Just shallow politics as usual.
If we're honest enough to admit it.

delta1
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#10

I didn't see all the details, but people protesting the KKK were arrested??? Great... I'm sure they were arrested for some violation of law, and weren't arrested for what they were saying, however vile those words are to some people...and that is as it should be...public protests against a sitting President are not new in America, and I'm sure they are disconcerting to him and his supporters...

Can't remember any Presidents acting offended and making public statements condemning those protesting them though...Trump should ignore the noise and get on with the work of his office...

tailgater
Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter

9 years ago

#11

delta1 wrote:

I think the racists should have been punched in the throat.
The arrests were the "stop hate" crowd hating on everyone who didn't chant with them.

Can't remember any Presidents acting offended and making public statements condemning those protesting them though...Trump should ignore the noise and get on with the work of his office...

delta1 wrote:

100% agree.
I'd agree more if it were possible. POTUS and thin skinned is not a good mix. It's embarrassing.

Speyside
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#12

Both sides should be ignored by the media. They seek an audience which the media is providing them. The media should report the facts and stop sensationalising. But we know that will not happen. Whoever committed a crime should be arested.

Burner02
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#13

Speyside wrote:

The media has been ignoring one side for at least 8.5 years (nothing to see on the left).

They need to report and not push their agenda.

bgz
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#14

#12
#13

Agree on all accounts. Saw too many crimes go unpunished during some of these "protests". Anyway, I'm all for people saying what they have to say, I would just like to see it be done without violence.

delta1
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#15

^ yep

jjanecka
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#16

Just a thought, what if the people organized and demonstrated against the media? What if the CEOs and figureheads had to deal with constant oppression not by the government but rather by the people?