victor809
8 years ago

This doesn't have to be decided today... A bad reason to shut down the gubment... Protecting illegal aliens is more important than funding our military..?? Really..?? 😕

DrafterX wrote:



First... are you not paying attention? If you want something done with this moron-in-chief, you need to do it when you have leverage. Otherwise he will not honor any commitments he has made. Clearly they realized they have no other opportunities between now and march. If you believe he has any intention of negotiating DACA continuation in good faith then you're a bigger idiot than he is. He's already proven he doesn't by rejecting the last joint bill.

Second... Everyone gets paid after the budget is passed. It's a huge waste of money actually, because every non-essential person goes home and plays. Then gets paid for their time anyway later.
frankj1
8 years ago

This doesn't have to be decided today... A bad reason to shut down the gubment... Protecting illegal aliens is more important than funding our military..?? Really..?? 😕

DrafterX wrote:


no, it isn't. and neither is the stupid wall.

tunnels will still go under it, jets will learn to fly over it.
delta1
8 years ago
as if we will not fund the military...guess Kim Jun Fat will shoot a nuke at us if the government shuts down, since the US military is sidelined, huh?
DrafterX
8 years ago
You guys are looking for excuses to justify shutting down the gubment. .. it's nothing more than pure politics.. the Dems will use this hard at election time.. just wait and see... 😟
delta1
8 years ago
not really...the last govt. shut-down affected us at work, since we got a portion of our funding from the feds (we had to draw on reserves to make some payments), but it wasn't as bad as it was made out to be...
banderl
8 years ago

You guys are looking for excuses to justify shutting down the gubment. .. it's nothing more than pure politics.. the Dems will use this hard at election time.. just wait and see... 😟

DrafterX wrote:




President Trump’s comments about the 2013 government shutdown during the Obama administration have resurfaced as the federal government races toward a shutdown of its own.

Trump spoke to “Fox & Friends” in 2013 and was asked who would be fired during a government shutdown, as shown in a clip posted by "Morning Joe."

“Well, if you say who gets fired it always has to be the top,” Trump said. “I mean, problems start from the top and they have to get solved from the top and the president’s the leader. And he’s got to get everybody in a room and he’s got to lead.”

He said that further down in history, “when they talk about the government shutdown, they’re going to be talking about the president of the United States, who the president was at that time.”

“They’re not going to be talking about who was the head of the House, the head the Senate, who’s running things in Washington,” Trump said.

“So I really think the pressure is on the president,” he added.
Krazeehorse
8 years ago
I think they will compromise quickly because they all come out looking like dumar$$ess if they don't. And their number one priority (each and every one of them) is to get themselves re-elected.
DrafterX
8 years ago
That's true... And exactly what 'The Resistance' wants... Like Victor stated earlier, there's no reason to vote against funding the gunmen tonite... 😟
Phil222
8 years ago
They don't need Trump to sign anything. They could do a DACA bill seperate with a 2/3rds majority in the House and Senate, and that would override a presedential veto. The problem is that DACA is being used as a bargaining chip for other things. Both sides are just playing hardball politics. I'm anxious to see which side will cave first. My money is on the Dems.
HuckFinn
8 years ago

You guys are looking for excuses to justify shutting down the gubment. .. it's nothing more than pure politics.. the Dems will use this hard at election time.. just wait and see... 😟

DrafterX wrote:


Takes two to tango
DrafterX
8 years ago
Yep, majority or not this needs Dem support.. if they say no it's on the Senate not just the Republicans... 😟
deadeyedick
8 years ago

accurate.

and to add fuel to the fire, calling them "illegal" is borderline, they were brought here as children (like they had a choice), raised with our kids, educated here, may have served in the military, many went to college and assimilated (isn't that the idea people?) paid taxes once employed...pretty much like our kids. And they agreed to identify themselves, not hiding.

They aren't stealing lettuce picking jobs. These aren't the ones you want out. The Dreamers want to live The Dream and did all that was asked. If they took a job from your kid, tell your kid to try harder.

Nothing was given.

frankj1 wrote:




Sorry but inaccurate.

Tell me again why many colleges have given these dreamers in-state tuition but 2 of my grandkids have to pay out-of-state tuition to go to that same school.
victor809
8 years ago
Are your grandkids out of state? Cuz that might be a reason...
DrafterX
8 years ago
Verses being illegal from out of the country I think was his point... 😟
DrafterX
8 years ago
Here is the reality: Democrats are scared to death that a Republican Congress and a Republican president may actually effect some reform of our flawed immigration system. They have pursued the Hispanic community vigorously for many years, seeking to solidify their support within the country’s fastest growing demographic.

Part of the Democratic strategy has been to demonize the GOP as racist and anti-immigrant. Trump’s candidacy and his careless comments about Mexicans greased the skids.

In their eagerness to curry favor with Hispanics, Democrats have increasingly abandoned their earlier professed support for secure borders. Though they continue to pay lip service to protecting against illegal immigration, many have opposed the use of E-verify and other approaches that might reduce the allure of entering the U.S. without authorization.

The Democrats have also encouraged the spread of sanctuary cities, where local governments limit their cooperation with federal officials on the enforcement of U.S. immigration laws. And they just hate Trump’s proposed wall along our southern border.

Now many Democrats are insisting they will not vote for a spending bill needed to keep government operating beyond Friday night unless it includes a lopsided DACA fix proposed by Senators Durbin and Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., which allows Dreamers a path to legal status but skimps on border enforcement.

Though nearly everyone supports protecting Dreamers against deportation, Republicans and the White House want to couple that with enhanced border security, to make sure that what some are calling “amnesty” does not result in great numbers of new people flooding in without permission.

Democrats are taking a risk. Most Americans are compassionate and welcoming to immigrants, recognizing the invaluable contributions of those who have come to the U.S. from other nations legally.

But, at the same time, most Americans favor border enforcement. Hillary Clinton found that out the hard way, when WikiLeaks exposed her making this comment in 2013: "My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, sometime in the future.…”

Those remarks gave candidate Trump the ammunition he needed to paint his opponent as weak on protecting our borders; it didn’t help that the lines came from a paid speech Clinton made to a Brazilian bank.

Polling has shown that 65 percent of Americans favor coupling legal status for the Dreamers with tougher immigration enforcement. Some 79 percent of those surveyed think employers should have to verify the legal status of their workers, for instance. Democrats balking at such a compromise are on the wrong side of this issue.

Many in the liberal media argue that the GOP will be blamed for any spending impasse that forces a government shutdown, since Republicans have a majority in both houses of Congress and occupy the White House. But Americans understand that passing a budget requires 60 votes in the Senate, which Republicans do not have. Republicans will need at least 10 Democratic votes.

Democrats are in a pickle. They can anger the nation by blocking a proposed spending resolution that lacks a DACA fix but that would fund our military and provide a six-year extension of the popular Children’s Health Insurance Program. Or they can infuriate Hispanics by keeping the federal lights on and working to resolve the Dreamer problem as part of a broader immigration package.

Latinos do not look to Republicans to fix this problem; they expect Democrats to do so. It isn’t the office of Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., that has attracted a protest demonstration by immigration activists – it is Chuck Schumer’s.

Everyone wants changes to our immigration system, including the White House. And nearly everyone wants to protect the Dreamers. There’s lots of room to negotiate, and President Trump has signaled support for a compromise.

But a compromise – a win – on immigration would be another nightmare for Democrats. The optics of President Trump hosting a signing ceremony in the White House to celebrate passage of an immigration bill, which has eluded the past several presidents, would be unimaginably valuable for Republicans as we approach the November elections.

A new immigration law would be almost as valuable for Republicans as the millions of workers getting bonuses and wage hikes because of the GOP tax bill that President Trump signed into law.

A few more wins and Democrats are going to have a hard time persuading voters that President Trump and a Republican Congress aren’t indeed Making America Great Again.

Film at 11.... 😟
banderl
8 years ago

President Trump’s comments about the 2013 government shutdown during the Obama administration have resurfaced as the federal government races toward a shutdown of its own.

Trump spoke to “Fox & Friends” in 2013 and was asked who would be fired during a government shutdown, as shown in a clip posted by "Morning Joe."

“Well, if you say who gets fired it always has to be the top,” Trump said. “I mean, problems start from the top and they have to get solved from the top and the president’s the leader. And he’s got to get everybody in a room and he’s got to lead.”

He said that further down in history, “when they talk about the government shutdown, they’re going to be talking about the president of the United States, who the president was at that time.”

“They’re not going to be talking about who was the head of the House, the head the Senate, who’s running things in Washington,” Trump said.

“So I really think the pressure is on the president,” he added.

banderl wrote:


Phil222
8 years ago
#75 That about sums it up for me. I'm all for keeping DACA if we can put policies in place that make sure we never have to do anything like this again.
DrafterX
8 years ago
And like I said before.. this is what The Resistance wants... 😟
banderl
8 years ago
Orange Donny wants a shutdown:
s recently as last May, Trump seemed to relish a spending fight with Democrats.

"Our country needs a good 'shutdown' in September to fix mess!" he tweeted, after reaching a compromise with Democrats to avoid a filibuster over a spending deal.

White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders explained what he meant this week: "He said it would be good politics. "Look, that's never been a preference of this administration. It wasn't then; it isn't now."
DrafterX
8 years ago
Irrelevant to today... And you know it.. 😟
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