DrafterX
8 years ago
Well, lets deport the parents and make the kids apply for work visas and citizenship the right way.. seems fair... 😟
frankj1
8 years ago

Well, lets deport the parents and make the kids apply for work visas and citizenship the right way.. seems fair... 😟

DrafterX wrote:


or something like that...see, that's what negotiating is all about. Then you go have beers together.
DrafterX
DrafterX
8 years ago
But we can't just give them a free pass... They need to earn their citizenship... Otherwise they'll be begging for fish the rest of their lives...😟
HuckFinn
8 years ago

or something like that...see, that's what negotiating is all about. Then you go have beers together.

frankj1 wrote:


or drink first and negotiate later.
frankj1
8 years ago

But we can't just give them a free pass... They need to earn their citizenship... Otherwise they'll be begging for fish the rest of their lives...😟

DrafterX wrote:


I had fish and chips tonight!
substituted Onion rings for fries though.
DrafterX
8 years ago
I could sure use a fish and chips about now... 😟
frankj1
8 years ago
delta1
8 years ago
I think the empathy for DACA is because they don't quite fit the "illegal" definition in a sense. We Americans tend to equate criminality/illegality with a specific intent to do the crime. With the DACA immigrants, they were minors (below the age at which they can be legally charged with intent to commit a crime) when they came across. They also did not come on their own volition: they were dragged in by their parents or other adults. So, they didn't have the intent to be illegal...and most have made the best of it...
bs_kwaj
Buckwheat
8 years ago
“A shutdown falls on the President’s lack of leadership. He can’t even control his party and get people together in a room. A shutdown means the President is weak”

-Donald Trump 2013 🌫
DrafterX
8 years ago
He was just kiddin... 😟
frankj1
8 years ago

or drink first and negotiate later.

HuckFinn wrote:


could work.
frankj1
8 years ago

I think the empathy for DACA is because they don't quite fit the "illegal" definition in a sense. We Americans tend to equate criminality/illegality with a specific intent to do the crime. With the DACA immigrants, they were minors (below the age at which they can be legally charged with intent to commit a crime) when they came across. They also did not come on their own volition: they were dragged in by their parents or other adults. So, they didn't have the intent to be illegal...and most have made the best of it...

delta1 wrote:


there's that "gray" I referenced somewhere about DACA yesterday. This is the best example of why we negotiate.
TMCTLT
8 years ago

No...I don't agree. Let the Democrats slither back to the table begging. They created this mess by trying to negotiate DACA into the Federal budget!

If you cannot follow the rules there's no reward. We have a perfect pathway for citizenship. No shortcuts. EVER.

When are Democrats actually able to follow the laws?

DrMaddVibe wrote:





Well stated...🍺




the majority were under 10 when brought here...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferred_Action_for_Childhood_Arrivals 

frankj1 wrote:





Doesn't matter....It simply DOES NOT MATTER, NOT our problemo that their parents are Law Breakers. How many children born and raised here fall subject to the fallout of their parents breaking the law? Every damn one of them unless in a wealthy family...we as Americans do NOT owe them anything other than a ticket home.
Wanna be upset with someone...blame their parents. My heart simply doesn't bleed for them.
HuckFinn
8 years ago

If they're here illegally....DEPORT THEM!

If you break the laws...theres no free pass.

I had to laugh at one guy that's been here for more than 10 years being deported. Like he couldn't find the time to fill out paperwork? GTFO.

I don't know why it's that hard to understand. If they break rules to get here...they're most likely not going to obey any other laws.

DrMaddVibe wrote:


From the American Immigration Council, good read...

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/did-my-family-really-come-legally-todays-immigration-laws-created-a-new-reality 

Many people assume that their family immigrated to the United States legally, or did it “the right way.” In most cases, this statement does not reflect the fact that the U.S. immigration system was very different in the past and that their families might not have been allowed to enter had today’s laws been in effect. When many families arrived in the United States, there were no numerical limitations on immigration, no requirements to have an existing family or employment relationship with someone in the country, and no requirement to obtain a visa prior to arriving. The definition of who is “legal”—and who is not—changes with the evolution of immigration laws. In some cases, claiming that a family came “legally” is simply inaccurate—unauthorized immigration has been a reality for generations.
TMCTLT
8 years ago

From the American Immigration Council, good read...

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/did-my-family-really-come-legally-todays-immigration-laws-created-a-new-reality 

Many people assume that their family immigrated to the United States legally, or did it “the right way.” In most cases, this statement does not reflect the fact that the U.S. immigration system was very different in the past and that their families might not have been allowed to enter had today’s laws been in effect. When many families arrived in the United States, there were no numerical limitations on immigration, no requirements to have an existing family or employment relationship with someone in the country, and no requirement to obtain a visa prior to arriving. The definition of who is “legal”—and who is not—changes with the evolution of immigration laws. In some cases, claiming that a family came “legally” is simply inaccurate—unauthorized immigration has been a reality for generations.

HuckFinn wrote:





The American Immigration Council, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit, is a powerful voice in promoting laws, policies, and attitudes that honor our proud history as a nation of immigrants. Through research and policy analysis, litigation and communications, and international exchange, the Council seeks to shape a twenty-first century vision of the American immigrant experience.
HuckFinn
8 years ago
Same article:
Many of our ancestors would not have qualified under today’s immigration laws.
DrafterX
8 years ago
Legal a hundred years ago doesn't make you illegal today... Bad argument... 😟
gummy jones
8 years ago
Ya but they have a great name. Can't be a bunch of partisan hacks that poorly hide their agenda in their "research." I mean southern poverty law center, American civil liberties union, etc are equal opportunity folks right?
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